Vogue Williams

[AurorayRuben]

I have only come across her in relation to Spencer Matthews (who is a bit of a dick)
I assume she was famous for something in Ireland other than marrying Brian Mc Fadden?

What a shitty thread.

@iamtheoneandonlyyy

What a shitty thread.

How so?

Spencer does look down on her irishness
Vogue did say that being married to Brian made her sick in her mouth

I don’t see how we’re being shitty to either of them.

More remarking on their comments and attitude

@AurorayRuben

It was hardly an forced marriage!!

But then neither is her marriage to spencer which you are so down on

Perhaps she's got low standads in men!

I thought upper class was linked to aristocracy and generations of family money. I didn’t realise you could attain it through one generation of wealth. But there you go!

@justanotherneighinparadise

I thought upper class was linked to aristocracy and generations of family money. I didn’t realise you could attain it through one generation of wealth. But there you go!

No so did I and had presumed the title was historically in the Mathews family. Which is why I was so adamant that both vogue and pippa had upped their social standing as spencer said until I read that their dad brought the title and the land.

Funnily I’m listening to one of the old BBC’s radio dramas of Poirot, and there’s a line in there where poirot is talking to the director of the orient express and their talking about one of the characters and the director says “there’s not much austocity there unless it’s the austrocity of money”

So social climbing and new money has obviously been a thing for a while, since at least the 1930s for Agatha Christie to note it and dismiss it.

And I guess that line is the perfect way to describe the matthews he might protest that he’s upper class but there’s not much austrocity there unless it’s the austrocity of money.

Vogue is possibly posher than Spencer and Pippa.

@LadyEloise

Vogue is possibly posher than Spencer and Pippa.

I guess I know her family are a pretty upper middle class family from Howth,

She was a socialite before Fade street hence her being selected for Fade street

But I still reckon Spencer thinks he of a higher social class than Vogue because he is English.

@AurorayRuben

But I still reckon Spencer thinks he of a higher social class than Vogue because he is English.

But that’s down to his education, he went to sodding Eton.

His education of Irish history will be “oh silly peasants died because potatoes isn’t that sad there was nothing isn’t it lucky us perfect upper class brits were there to hand our oats”
No mention of the fact that the wheat had no blight and there was actually plenty of grain it was just all comondered by the British army

And “those unruly Irish just want to blow each other up they should be grateful us brilliant Brits are there to intervene”

I use the second example because I had that exact conversation with my step dad about brexit he doesn’t believe it himself and he’s married to an Irish lady (my mum) but he has British private school almost public school like spencer and his school friends say things along the lines of “well if their that ungrateful son of bitches they should just be left to blow themselves up”

My point is it’s really hard for him to change when his education has told him this is what Irish people are!

"But I still reckon Spencer thinks he's of a higher social class than Vogue because he's English."
😂😂😂

I do think you have an agenda here OP, your getting cross at people who are lashing out at Brian,

And your accusing spencer of being xophobic and insulting their marriage won’t last.

Because of YOUR issue with something you perceive.

Spencer will have been encouraged to look down on everyone, Boris is a prime example of eton boy egotistical all jolly jock sticks brits.

It’s not cos he’s English it’s because of his class wether it’s the tradional upper class and austrocity or the new money and austrocity of money, that’s where he comes from.

Brian is far from perfect if you saw his behaviour towards Kerry, vogue, his friends any one that isn’t Keith Duffy (and that’s only because their working together and Brian can ride on boyzone which is slightly odd as he was rather keen to leave his boy band) or Danielle. Yeah you’d maybe understand why vogue said what she did.

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about spensers Englishness isn’t that exactly what your accusing him off?

Projecting how you feel about British people here op?

I think you're projecting a bit...I'm not cross.
It's a discussion.
You're getting a bit worked up though.

Whenever I’ve read interviews with Spencer he actually seemed pretty down to Earth. So I’m not sure he really has any grand ideas of being super important. He recognises he’s very lucky.

@AurorayRuben

I think you're projecting a bit...I'm not cross. It's a discussion. You're getting a bit worked up though.

Nope I’m not, we’ve explained the class devision the thing I was getting adement about ie I thought the Matthews were historically upper class was my mistake.

You however really really spencer to look down on vogue because she’s Irish. You got all defensive when some one said if I was married to Brian I’d feel sick. You want us all to go yeah Spencer’s a horriable Irish hating Englishman

No your sounding like a bitter English hating Irish woman who can’t accept that the British upper classes think they own the planet. I mean at one time they would have done. Poor xenophobic education, political alliances, historical colonisation, cultural indifference! It’s the world Spencer’s grown up in.

You seem to want hate spencer! Not been excepted by your husbands family or something?!? Cos actually vogue seems to find her way of teaching her kids about irishness!

I’ve seen vogue put on a plummy British accent to take the piss out of him maybe she looks down on his Englishness there for by your own logic

@justanotherneighinparadise

Whenever I’ve read interviews with Spencer he actually seemed pretty down to Earth. So I’m not sure he really has any grand ideas of being super important. He recognises he’s very lucky.

I think vogue has definately brought him more down to earth than ever before.

He knows he’s lucky his drinking nearly caused him to lose everything

That's a bit of a rant...are you ok?

I’m fine... are you ok or do you want to carry on insisting a man you’ve never met looks down on his wife because of her nationality

Christ on a bike,

Eh yes, in my opinion Spencer looks down on the Irish.

I really like the two of them, they don't take themselves too seriously and seem to be good friends with each other.

I like her.
She comes across very well when being interviewed by Irish interviewers.
I haven't seen the Vogue and Spencer reality show.

There is a cohort of English people who look down on the Irish.
I think it's a legacy of the British Empire and a lack of an unbiased education in History classes.
Or perhaps no education re Irish history and its links with Britain.

I really love VW. I got accused on here of being her because I picked up for her.
I wish I'd her money and style unfortunately her taste in men is awful.
She done a couple of very informative documentaries aimed towards young people, one excellent one the dangers of drugs my teenage niece and pals done a school project on the back of it to educate their pals on festivals drugs.

I loved the reality show, they both came across as being mad about each, great banter and humour between them, they really seemed to enjoy each other. I found both of them very likeable which I hadn't expected to (had watched him in Made in Chelsea from time to time and he was an utter shit in that).

Did anyone see her and her mother on the RTÉ Christmas Rewind the other day? She is the image of her mother!