Vogue Williams

[AurorayRuben]

I have only come across her in relation to Spencer Matthews (who is a bit of a dick)
I assume she was famous for something in Ireland other than marrying Brian Mc Fadden?

@AurorayRuben

Of course it's on him! But she seems to not be bothered by it which is odd seen as she is so keen to get back to Ireland.

I think there’s a difference between not being bothered by it and not letting it affect her.

She has driven forward the house in Ireland, she’s clearly excited by it she shows it off, we’ve barely seen any of the house (ok I guess if you’ve watched the show you have but she doesn’t talk about it) in Chelsea that their actually living in yet the house in Ireland is all over he Instagram stories. She’s said it many times she’s struggled because her and T (and now Gigi) would normally be in Howth at least once a month. If Spencer’s wants to be a dick that’s up to him but her and the kids are going to Ireland they are Irish and she’s very clear about that.

The other day she was teaching Theodore to say Nollaig Shona Duit
She’s going to make sure the kids know their culture and their language despite their fathers dismissive attitude. And actually if I was spencer I might think about that because the kids will come to the conclusion their father is a dick who doesn’t respect them or their mother. But that’s on him.

As for her comments about Brian, he’s hardly been lovely, to either her or Kerry, this the man who called Kerry a pig faced mole, and made equally as dismissive comments about vogue:

On mom, I think it’s a class thing in Dublin and midlands. My cousins wife described how she would be told off for using Mam or Mum, mammy (which we use) was seen as too working class, mum with a u was seen as very posh (I guess dating back to the British land owners) so it was mom with an o. And yes very different to the American drawling mom.

Ah, I now get the Mom thing...but not sure it's a class thing.
I'm from a middle class background and we called our mother Mammy as did most of my friends.
As an Irish person living in the UK I would say Vogue is almost too invested in her life in Ireland. My kids are English and Irish but they grew up here so they would be more English than Irish but with a strong sence of Irish idenity. Their English Dad is very knowledgable on Irish culture and literature (a keen Joycean)
We did not raise them as catholics!!
However, we don't have a second home in Ireland and two of them are at Uni here.
We live happily here. I'm not sure my relationship would have survived if I was constantly pining to be back in Ireland though.
Wonder if Spencer has even heard of Joyce or Yeats or Behan.....or knows any Irish history??
That is very important and strengthens relationships in my opinion.

I like her. When she met spencer he was coming across really badly on TV and had gone from a lovable rogue to a pig to be honest. He was awful to all his girlfriends. Vogue came along and he finally met his match. She won't put up with any nonsense and he totally looks up to her.
I really love them together and think they're very well suited.
His snobbery is due to the circles he lives in I think. Isn't he friends with princess B? And his brother is married to Pippa Middleton.

I think just because you didn’t have a holiday home in Ireland would make vogue over invested in Ireland, each to there own and all that, however I do agree she is more invested in the house in Ireland than the house in Chelsea, she called it my house in Ireland which I don’t actually have a problem with as I say my house rather than our house a lot of the time. But then even spencer seemed a little put out and questioned who’s house.

And I sort of agree, especially as Theodore Gigi dad is English, and their being brought up here that their Englishness is going to be the dominant culture. However my English cousin often feels sad that she doesn’t have very much Irish. So I actually think vogue’s passing on of the language and culture is very important.

Spencer has even heard of Joyce or Yeats or Behan.....or knows any Irish history??

I suspect he will have read Yeats and Joyce but in the same way as he’ll have read American “high brow” literature, and his knowledge of Irish history will be “oh isn’t it sad those peasants died and what else could we have done it was the potato’s fault” and “oh those nasty people who wanted their own country they bombed people evil Irish”

snobbery is due to the circles he lives in I think. Isn't he friends with princess B? And his brother is married to Pippa Middleton

Yes he’s heir to a Scottish title, he’s very very upper class, that doesn’t really excuse his snobbery though, Beatrice was friends with Stephen Gately, Zara Philips is friends with Ronan Keating and Brian McFadden. They seem to manage to get along without insulting their culture or upbringing the way spencer insults vogues!

I also hate the way he copies the way she pronounces certain words making them sound thick.

Oh no I totally agree that his rude and a twatty when it comes to her Irish ness and Irishness in general.

I do however agree that with sups that they’ve both tamed each other, spencer was a drunk and a total arse, vogue loved the celeb lifestyle that she had in Australia with Brian, although it was Delta that separated him from his kids, she didn’t actually go er you’ve got children why don’t we move home and you can have a decent relationship with them, she loved hanging out with Kyle sandilands and living this young couple free lifestyle. So I think the fact they both have moved on to being more mature and are both good parents Is is a testimony to their relationship and how they are well suited.

But yes Spencer’s lack of empathy towards vogues culture is disgusting

He absolutely looks down on the Irish.
He actually said in one of their Podcasts that she had upped her social status due to marrying him!!
He loves her, that's true but his attitude towards the Irish does not bode well for a long, healthy relationship.

[quote LittleRa]@LadyEloise
I don't know what she saw in Brian Mc Fadden.

Neither does she. She was recently quoted saying that thinking about her marriage to him makes her “a little bit sick in her mouth” [/quote]
🤭
I think he dumped her.

We all have exes we regret but to say he makes her ''a little sick in my mouth' is childish, vulgar and very insulting.

I find her down to earth and quite family oriented.
Spencer seems to have quite low confidence and she seems to support him quite well.
I'm glad she's kept the Dublin accent (after being in London for 8 years mine only comes out when I'm angry!).

@AurorayRuben

We all have exes we regret but to say he makes her ''a little sick in my mouth' is childish, vulgar and very insulting.

I can’t find it now but I’m pretty sure he’s said similar about the marriage

And it’s pretty double standard to be critising vogue when your talking about the man who called the mother of his children a “pig faced mole”

He actually said in one of their Podcasts that she had upped her social status due to marrying him!!

But she did and that has nothing to do with her Irish ness, the same way as pippa upped her social class by marrying James.

Both vogue and pippa were upper middle class, James and spencer are very very much upper class. That comment had nothing to do with her being Irish.

I’m not sure that’s true about Spencer’s family being upper middle class. I’m sure Spencer said his father was a working class man ‘done good’. So whilst he has been highly educated due to his families wealth that money alone doesn’t suddenly propel you into ‘upper middle class’.

*’upper class’ that should have said.

@RizzleDrizzle

He actually said in one of their Podcasts that she had upped her social status due to marrying him!!

But she did and that has nothing to do with her Irish ness, the same way as pippa upped her social class by marrying James.

Both vogue and pippa were upper middle class, James and spencer are very very much upper class. That comment had nothing to do with her being Irish.

I don't know that that is true about Spencer's family. His grandfather was a coal miner in Rotherham. Pippa and James both have similar backgrounds.

She irritates the heck out of me. Especially with her annoying voice and that awful advert she dies.

Does

How are you difining working class my lovely? Because I think if you think being heir to heir to the Scottish feudal title of Laird of Glen Affric. And having a family estate in Scotland is “working class” I’d really love to see your definition of middle and upper classes

And Jesus Christ if working class people are heirs to titles and inherit huge estates of Scotland is really like to see what upper classes own - whole sodding countries?!?!

If James and pippa are equal please do tell my which title Catherine is due to inherit, if James and pippa are equal please inform my why there was so much sodding fuss about William marrying a “commonor”

Because if pippa is equal with James then so is Catherine, which would make her very much NOT a commoner

Commoner in this case simply means that Kate Middleton is not a member of the aristocracy,

Lisa78Lemon you must have worked very hard to get rid of your accent them.
I still have an Irish accent after 30 years in the UK as do all my Irish friends here!

ah ok Mia culpa apologies -

I was reading James bio on wiki not Spencer’s, I hadn’t realised that their parents brought the glen affic estate the way it’s written on James it looks inherented

Ok you might be right then that historically their working/self made middle class who brought the land and title. Apologises

@JaneJeffer

Commoner in this case simply means that Kate Middleton is not a member of the aristocracy,

I actually know any thing below tradional austrocity is a commoner to the royal family

However, it seems I was wrong anyway, the way James right to inherit the title is written on his wiki it’s like the title has always been in the matthews family, it was only when I read Spencer’s that it says his parents brought the estate and title in 2007.

So yes I accept that both pippa and James are from self made upper middle class!

I think if I'd been married to Brian McFadden in the past it would make me feel a bit sick in my mouth too!

It was hardly an forced marriage!!