I agree with the benefit cuts for promoting

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I am on disability and universal credit and I don’t work (which will change when I get the support to some part time work, and I have been in contact with a disability charity). I get points for a physical disability and a cognitive disability. I do have severe mental health issues which I am working on but I don’t claim for it.
So I can see that currently you can score 2 points across a number of categories for needing prompting. And I can see how that relates to mental health, and if you score enough you would then get the full amount of the care component, with the full mobility component if you say you need to have someone with you for your mental health condition (I agree they need someone with them but they shouldn’t be able to use that money to pay for a mobility car in my opinion if they aren’t physically or cognitively disabled) For neurodivergence you would get more than two points as it comes with executive functioning difficulties that have an impact for the majority of the time, harm to yourself and others, so you could argue you're needing supervision and things take longer like for example in processing and tiredness.
if a family and their children are claiming full pip and DLA and associated benefits because they need prompting to do tasks (sorry if I’ve got this wrong and it’s not possible) and are getting thousands for it all combined then I agree that’s so wrong and needs to stop. And I could also see how that allows the family to spend that money on lots of nice things.
people with more expensive disabilities are getting the same rates with more significant costs. I have had to make do with two pairs of leggings from the factory shop that have split apart at the seams and can’t be repaired because of the quality, and I have just been gifted money to buy better quality leggings.
If I am wrong about how I feel towards those that are on full pip for needing prompting, I wouldn’t mind being corrected

indeed and people don't seem to realise that if you want a WAV ( wheelchair accessible vehicle) you have to pay several thousands upfront and lose part of your benefits only to hand it back 5 yrs later and start again. I need a WAV with 2 wheelchair spaces and the down-payment was eye-watering. We had to buy our own as that was cheaper than the down-payment !

They can but as I've already stated the taxpayer is only on the hook for £75/week the claimant might otherwise spend on taxis.

If they wan a Rangey or whatever they have to pay the extra cost upfront.

They can't choose just any car. There is a list of cars available. Depending on the car the Motability customer has to pay an up front payment that ranges from nothing to about 7K. That payment is not refundable.

There are no Range Rovers available via Motability.

The government pretty much does have an arrangement with the car manufacturers. That's what's delivered by Motability.

The taxpayer pays for what government spends. And let's bust the myth that only those paying tax on income are taxpayers. Every time a Motability car is filled with fuel a chunk of that is tax.

No, they cannot.

why do you keep repeating this?

Range Rovers are NOT available on the motability scheme.

Here you go folks. Fill your boots with jealousy because you are not disabled. Here is a list of the cars you can lease via Motability (note: no Range Rovers,).

Not all cars will be easily available to everyone as it depends on which dealers in your area offer the scheme, but you can travel to a dealer out of your area.

https://www.motability.co.uk/whats-available/cars/types/#other-types

Sorry you appear to be a different poster in place of the one who started saying this about range rovers.

my apologies for that, but please, do your own basic google

I said 'or whatever'. If not a Range Rover then there are plenty of BMW or Mercedes models for the green eyed to look at.

I think some people would be happier if the disabled were only able to lease Robin Reliants via Motabilty.

I definitely think it’s right that Motability offers a range, and wouldn’t favour going back to the days of the invalid car! (And I say that as someone who isn’t well enough to drive so wouldn’t be eligible for the scheme despite receiving the highest level of PIP.) But I think it’s a bit of a quibble to focus on them not offering a Range Rover when they do have BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Volvo and Subaru models. Those are fancier cars than most people will ever own.

I have just done a quick search and for a mini van that can take 2 chairs the down payment starts at nearly 18 grand and for 2 wheelchair spaces would be a lot more. I think when we we enquired it was £23, 000 . And after 5 yrs that van would go back and we don't get anything back so you have to find the deposit again
It may allegedly be a charity but Motability is doing v nicely thank you.
Even a single space WAV is 4 grand down-payment.
It is not the freebe people think it is.

Those are fancier cars than most people will ever own

Well neither will the people who lease them from Motability.

You can get a Mercedes Benz with a down payment of £8k. Not many people will be able to afford that.

Again, I think this is just quibbling about specific words. Maybe it’s because I’m a non driver so this is very hypothetical to me! But by “own”, I mean “have the use of as their day to day car”. I suppose if you’re thinking in terms of a financial asset, then own vs lease must seem very different, but to me it isn’t.

If so few people would ever access those higher end cars, why would they include them? There are numerous models in these posh, branded categories.

I can’t quite understand why people are bothered. If someone were to lease a car what difference does it make to you if they use the motability scheme or simply use their PIP to finance a car through a dealer directly?

People seem to think disabled people should be at the bottom of the pile for everything.

That.

Or spend it on Taxis.

@dialfor I don’t think everyone commenting is bothered, necessarily? I want people with disabilities to have the option of leasing a car! I just want all conversations like this to be as honest and factual as possible, so it was only the “there are no Range Rovers” emphasis that I was taking issue with (because that’s true, but there are loads of other posh cars!).

I definitely wouldn’t want someone’s disability! Who would.
also I don’t think everyone is abusing the system but some do and I know them.

It seems odd, doesn't, it.

Some people might use the £75 a week for taxis, or to meet bills, or to but aids or help, or to fund a hobby or even just to socialise. So why are people so bothered about it being used to lease a car? The money goes back into the economy whichever way it is spent.

My DH has a Motabilty car. I would much rather we had no car at all and he was not disabled.

have you reported them ?

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How nice is it for some people (not everyone) to be able to drive nice cars, get their maintenance done for free, insurance or whatever subsidised, exchange the car with another nice car every x number of years as long as they still have the relevant award, and their only 'adaptation' to their motability car is that someone else drives them as they can't drive themselves. So a driver then? Lovely.

The only issue I can see is how difficult it must be to never be certain if it's going to be taken away or not every review. Who'd want that?

Do you not think it would be reasonable for taxpayers to be annoyed by £75 a week being used “just to socialise” when it’s been paid following a rigorous PIP assessment? You know I receive the highest rates and am speaking as a claimant, but I feel it would just be inhuman not to expect people who work and pay taxes not to be upset by this. That’s not what they expect to be paying for. It’s meant to pay for disability related needs, or if in practice the person is living in poverty as so many of us are, there’s nothing to stop it going on basic living expenses. But I feel like it’s a red rag to a Daily Heil bull to say you think it’s fine to spend that much every week, of taxpayer money, on socialising! (Please don’t suggest I am hating disabled people when you know that I am one; I genuinely would like to understand your perspective here.)

I did try once, the process was made so complicated. They wanted every detail of their life and I couldn’t give that information.
can I make clear that genuine cases deserve everything to cope with their disabilities.

have you read my comments about the down payments ? the cars are not free.
And if you would like to have one perhaps you would like the disability that comes with it.
Jealous of people who are restricted due to a disability! How v sad !