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Want to move up North

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Lala1962 · 21/09/2024 23:59

My partner (32) and I (29) currently live in Surrey in the South East. He is born and bred here and his mum, siblings, grandparents and friends all live here. He has never lived further away than 30 minutes down the road. I am a military brat and moved around every 2 years as a child. My parents have since retired and now live in the North West, where they are from, with the rest of my extended family. I lived with them for 4 years as a late teen. I ended up in Surrey due to uni and stayed for a job but likely would have moved back to the NW a few years ago if I hadn’t met my partner unexpectedly. My friends are dotted all over the country. Partner and I have recently had a baby who was somewhat of a wonderful surprise.

In the past few years the SE has become completely unaffordable to live for normal working people. We both have decent jobs but still are out-priced with property. Currently we live in a tiny cottage through partner’s work and pay below market rate but we have outgrown it. Before DD we would have been able to afford to rent elsewhere had anything happened to this property but now with DD and the ridiculous cost of childcare (even with govt support) we’d only be able to rent a small 1-bed flat at best in the same area. We both want more children but simply cannot afford either to house more or to have them cared for here. We would (and will) be very much living month to month with very little left over. Whilst I aim to move up in my profession, this will be gradual and the salary increase not significant enough to impact what we can afford here probably for a few decades!

We both share the same goal to own a property and get on the housing ladder as soon as possible. We met with a mortgage adviser a few weeks ago who essentially told us we couldn’t afford to buy in the South East and, with our deposit and income/childcare, we’d be looking at buying a max of £200k comfortably.

My opinion is that we should make the move up North near my family, so we would at least have some kind of familiarity and support. The housing prices are significantly cheaper and we could easily afford a lovely 3-bed family starter home and have money left over each month to save for a holiday, go out for meals, visit the south east etc. I can do my job from anywhere in the country. My partner is self-employed but can easily set himself up in the NW. My parents own a second home they rent out which we could live in for cheap rent whilst we are getting ourselves sorted. As well as the NW giving us a better life, I also feel we should be giving our DD a better opportunity for her future instead of staying here and putting her in the same position we are currently in. We could move elsewhere that is not as far from SE but my partner and I are both massive introverts and don’t make friends easily so I think it’s important to be somewhere with pre-existing support. I also think that once it’s over an hour, it doesn’t matter if you’re 2 or 5 hours away as you still need to plan to visit in the same way especially with children.

Understandably, my partner is terrified of leaving and moving away from this area. He actually said he was ‘petrified’ last week. He goes back and forward with the idea but ultimately I know won’t do anything unless he is pushed. Whilst I completely appreciate his fears of leaving behind his family and friends, I am a bit disappointed he is only looking at this and not fully appreciating what is best for his own family’s future (me and DD). I feel we are worth more than what we can get here. Ultimately we simply do not have a very promising future here and will just be stuck in the tiny cottage we both hate and unable to buy or have any more children. I have very strong relationships with my family and friends who are all long distance (arguably stronger) so am living proof that the distance will not end any relationships he currently has.

I have tried to discuss it with him to take next steps but haven’t got anywhere although he has made concessions that we would be better off up North. I don’t know what to do to move forwards with this and also am now doubting whether I’m being unreasonable by even suggesting a move up to the NW. It doesn’t help that his mum is not overly supportive (last week she said if she ever came into any money she wouldn’t give us any towards a property if it meant we would leave her). His mum has been in council housing and had support as a single mother all her life so doesn’t really understand our predicament. My parents just want me/us to be happy.

I know that this is not an issue only impacting us and I do think it’s very sad that people like my partner are priced out of the area they grew up in and where their families live. My partners friends who have bought in this area have all had financial assistance and those who have not likely will also need to move once they start having families etc.

So two questions..

  1. AIBU to suggest/want to move up North?
  2. If not, how can I try to move things forwards with my partner?
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Puffin12345 · 22/09/2024 12:43

We moved from the South East to the North East 8 years ago, mainly to buy a house. It was a big adjustment to start with, but we're well settled now. It has helped that lots of my family followed us up here, so we have people to help with childcare. I don't miss the South East, though DH does. The only thing that's worse up here is the weather, I'd say everything else is better - more space, less crowded, friendlier people, lovely countryside. I have a job, our DD is well settled in school. I've only had one comment about being a southern - I hear loads of southern accents in our small town so we're not the only ones who have moved here because housing is much cheaper.

KievLoverTwo · 22/09/2024 12:45

YellowComb · 22/09/2024 10:44

The one big expense is housing. No one NEEDS to go out for kebab and chips but people do NEED housing.

I think it sounds a great idea OP. You are young. You can do whatever. If you don't like it you can leave. Be brave.

I very much appreciate and understand that. I just didn't want OP to be under the impression that because housing is affordable, so is everything else.

KievLoverTwo · 22/09/2024 12:46

Lala1962 · 22/09/2024 11:52

Property and childcare are the two biggies in terms of things being more affordable. The other things are more luxuries and on the basis we’d be on the same or similar salaries we’d have more left over each month to spend on those little luxuries.

I totally understand. As long as you're fully aware! Then I don't have to worry you're walking into something you don't fully know about :)

FriYayyy · 22/09/2024 13:01

"I very much appreciate and understand that. I just didn't want OP to be under the impression that because housing is affordable, so is everything else."

So you lied about the price of kebab and chips, inflated the price of a pint and a meal out, lied about entry prices to Crag House (and you should've used the free family pass in every newspaper) and gave her the cost of a premium Pleasure Beach pass which includes entry to 6 European theme parks including Efteling and Portaventura? A season pass for the summer is £99. Brilliant 🤣

Madamlulu · 22/09/2024 14:13

' the north' is a big place but generally yes it's considerably cheaper than 'the south'

Nevermind about the cost of food out and coffees - that's similar but we are talking about housing here!

I'm from the north but live in the south.

I know both areas very very well.

The north - specifically the north east where I am from is now somewhere we could live better with way more disposable income than where we do live in a very affluent area of the south.

This is fact - no matter how much beer costs or entrance to Cragside!

Your boyfriend needs to be brave and consider this! I moved countries and areas for my career it's really not a big deal and you can come back!

I would start looking at houses on the market and go and visit them! It might be when he sees the life he could have he will be motivated but allow him time - he will need time to get his head around it x

Lala1962 · 22/09/2024 14:18

HotCrossBunplease · 22/09/2024 10:56

£34 for kebab and chips. Is that a typo?

OP this thread may be better in relationships.

Is your DH’s mother the type to get offended and refuse to come to visit you in the NW? Or is she of an age/health/personality that might limit travel? Does he have siblings who would stay close to her? Does she know and get on with your side of the family?

I can see that it is quite a big kick in the teeth for her for you to take her grandchild hundreds of miles away, particularly when you are specifically doing it so your parents can help more. But your financial position sounds very limited, and it seems unnecessary for you to live such a restricted life when it sounds like your jobs don’t tie you to Surrey.

Could MIL move too?

I’d suggest that you and your DH start spending more time in the NW so he can get more of a feel for it and start to imagine living there.

You should also remember that Northerners can be quite parochial and unkind to people with south of England accents. It may be hard for him to settle in and harder to set up his business than you might think if it relies on local goodwill.

Also, how do you currently get tied accommodation if he is self-employed?

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We’re moving up North for property and childcare (nursery), not just so my family can help out with DD. The support my family would be for all of us. My partners mum has two other grandchildren in this area she helps out with a lot. They have council housing too so aren’t going anywhere but her other child is also moving next year to the south west where her partners family live to afford property. My partners mum would be able to move if she wanted but I know she wouldn’t and we wouldn’t expect her to. It would just be a reverse of the current situation where one set of grandparents live a few hours away.

I’ve always found people up north treat me (southern accent) the same as my parents (northern accent) are treated so no concerns about that.

My partner has a weekly job with a customer who has a small cottage on their estate they rented out to us. It’s not really tied to his job, just got it through his customer, but I suspect the owners would want to rent it out to someone else if partner stopped working here for any reason,

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Lala1962 · 22/09/2024 14:24

Autumnweddingguest · 22/09/2024 11:26

People who are petrified of change (DH is like this) are scared of the unknown. So he might realise it is a good idea but be paralysed by what it entails The way around this (I have discovered over the decades DH and I have been married, is to familiarise him with the change. I suggest you go and visit family for a weekend. Stay in the rental cottage, so it becomes a familiar place to him. Drive around the area, look in estate agents windows.

Be clever about it. If you know he likes a pint in a pub or a cafe breakfast, find a nice one and make it your local when you visit. Go on the same walks. Create mini routines that he enjoys in the new 0place. Do this three or four times until it is a home from home. each time push the idea of moving a tiny bit closer (just window shop estate agents the first couple of times Maybe set up viewings the next couple of times.

Thank you for the advice - really helpful! I agree we should spend some more time up there getting to know the area. We have been up a few times but usually around Christmas when it’s very busy. It might help to go up and do some things he enjoys as you suggest. And then progress to looking at houses etc.

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Mishmashs · 22/09/2024 14:44

Sounds like you need a real heart to heart about what you both want for the future and for your daughters future. Eg you might want to save for her Uni fees, driving lessons, a house deposit, holidays. How is that possible in your current situation in the SE? Then as others say slowly slowly do more trips north and spend time visiting areas, perhaps dawdling at an estate agent window to gasp at the cheaper prices.

flyinghen · 22/09/2024 14:58

FeelinTwentySixPointTwo · 22/09/2024 11:20

You should also remember that Northerners can be quite parochial and unkind to people with south of England accents

Well this is one of the most stupid things I've ever read on here, and that's saying something. After spending the last 20+ years working in cities including Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds and Newcastle I can honestly say I've never seen or heard this. There are just as many people with "southern" accents in many workplaces as there are "northern" ones.

I mean, if you're hanging out in a working men's club in a former pit village, then you might get a raised eyebrow or two if you go up to the bar with a "southern" accent (whatever the hell that is - London hardly sounds like Cornwall does it) and loudly try to order an espresso martini, but I didn't get the impression from the OP that this was her plan.

I was thinking this, I live in Leeds and there are lots of different accents and nobody cares.

UmberFinch · 22/09/2024 15:06

I’m in the north and end terrace (new build) is £245,000 so it’s not as cheap as you think. You’d better try and save some more deposit and maybe wait a few more years for higher earnings potential. Cheapest places in the north are all in shitholes obviously.

Your OH is indeed in a bubble and may not want to leave that either. Luckily my OH who also was born and raised in the same backwards town had some common sense and got out of there!

Wanderinghome · 22/09/2024 15:07

I recently moved back to the NW with my children after living down South for over ten years. It was definitely the right choice.

I'd agree with pp about having your husband spend some time up here in places that will be familiar or attractive for him.

Lala1962 · 22/09/2024 15:24

UmberFinch · 22/09/2024 15:06

I’m in the north and end terrace (new build) is £245,000 so it’s not as cheap as you think. You’d better try and save some more deposit and maybe wait a few more years for higher earnings potential. Cheapest places in the north are all in shitholes obviously.

Your OH is indeed in a bubble and may not want to leave that either. Luckily my OH who also was born and raised in the same backwards town had some common sense and got out of there!

Thanks, I know it’s not all cheap up north but where we would be moving to is as I’ve been looking at property prices and my family all live there. It is a nice area but cheaper mainly as it’s very very north (above Manchester etc). We’d likely also be lent more if we were buying there as childcare costs would be a lot cheaper (we’ll be paying £1500 a month here!).

Hopefully my partner will come round with a bit of help and support.

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FriYayyy · 22/09/2024 16:23

"I’m in the north and end terrace (new build) is £245,000 so it’s not as cheap as you think. You’d better try and save some more deposit and maybe wait a few more years for higher earnings potential. Cheapest places in the north are all in shitholes obviously."

What a bizarre way to think. "The North" varies and no, it's not all shitholes. Maybe the OP is thinking of moving to Penrith 🤷🏽‍♀️🤣

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/152091986

UmberFinch · 22/09/2024 16:29

FriYayyy · 22/09/2024 16:23

"I’m in the north and end terrace (new build) is £245,000 so it’s not as cheap as you think. You’d better try and save some more deposit and maybe wait a few more years for higher earnings potential. Cheapest places in the north are all in shitholes obviously."

What a bizarre way to think. "The North" varies and no, it's not all shitholes. Maybe the OP is thinking of moving to Penrith 🤷🏽‍♀️🤣

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/152091986

Bizarre way to think? I’m northern, and there are many areas that are nice, but there are some serious shitholes. And those are the areas where you’ll have the cheapest housing. Somewhere like Penrith is cheaper because there aren’t as many jobs in a rural area like that.

FriYayyy · 22/09/2024 16:37

"Bizarre way to think? I’m northern, and there are many areas that are nice, but there are some serious shitholes. And those are the areas where you’ll have the cheapest housing. Somewhere like Penrith is cheaper because there aren’t as many jobs in a rural area like that."

I know. I'm Northern. There are serious shitholes everywhere. I just think it's weird to tell the OP that because an end terrace in your town costs X amount that she will need to save up more to avoid said shitholes.

Presumably the OP knows where her parents live? It might be 3/4 hours away from me or you even though we're all in the North...

UmberFinch · 22/09/2024 16:40

FriYayyy · 22/09/2024 16:37

"Bizarre way to think? I’m northern, and there are many areas that are nice, but there are some serious shitholes. And those are the areas where you’ll have the cheapest housing. Somewhere like Penrith is cheaper because there aren’t as many jobs in a rural area like that."

I know. I'm Northern. There are serious shitholes everywhere. I just think it's weird to tell the OP that because an end terrace in your town costs X amount that she will need to save up more to avoid said shitholes.

Presumably the OP knows where her parents live? It might be 3/4 hours away from me or you even though we're all in the North...

Fair enough, she knows the prices of where she wants to move to. I’m just going off the fact that we really don’t live in a super desirable area, and our house price is on the lower end for our area. The lowest priced housing are usually tiny Victorian terraces, which might not be the most suitable for a growing family. On road parking, no garden, steep stairs etc

pilates · 22/09/2024 16:43

Could you sell it to DH as a trial run?

Wells37 · 22/09/2024 16:56

Move and live in your parents rental for 18 months. See if it works out

Thistooshallpass24 · 22/09/2024 21:34

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Changingplace · 22/09/2024 21:40

HotCrossBunplease · 22/09/2024 11:53

There was literally a thread on it last week with a Northerner saying how they just couldn’t get on with people from The South.

Does one person on MN speaks for the entirety of ‘the north’??

I’ve lived in Yorkshire and now the NW for the past 15 years, I’m from the south originally and I’ve never heard such silliness, I’ve got loads of northern mates, and also know lots of people who have ended up here from other areas.

Lala1962 · 23/09/2024 00:19

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Had a couple of similar comments so just to clarify I know where we’d be moving to in NW and the house prices in that area, both renting and to buy. I therefore know what we could get on that basis. I also know what is available in the way of jobs from family/friends experiences.

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Lala1962 · 23/09/2024 00:24

UmberFinch · 22/09/2024 16:40

Fair enough, she knows the prices of where she wants to move to. I’m just going off the fact that we really don’t live in a super desirable area, and our house price is on the lower end for our area. The lowest priced housing are usually tiny Victorian terraces, which might not be the most suitable for a growing family. On road parking, no garden, steep stairs etc

Thank you - I know where we’d be moving to and the house prices/options in that area :) there’s plenty that are within our budget and good for a young family. Appreciate its not the same all over the North though, it’s a very large area!

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Thistooshallpass24 · 23/09/2024 00:25

I was trying to be helpful, that's fine I've reported my comment to be removed.

Soberfutures · 23/09/2024 00:34

Have your factored in wage differences? And any extra commute to work for petrol/public transport? Same with DH business plans. Sorry if I'm wrong but he is self employed? Is the market needed in the area and if so is it not already saturated. How much would it be to re brand and adapt? Not trying to put you off as it seems having closer family would be good not just for finance but I see so many people moving up north to solve problems and it isn't that simple.

Lala1962 · 23/09/2024 00:51

Soberfutures · 23/09/2024 00:34

Have your factored in wage differences? And any extra commute to work for petrol/public transport? Same with DH business plans. Sorry if I'm wrong but he is self employed? Is the market needed in the area and if so is it not already saturated. How much would it be to re brand and adapt? Not trying to put you off as it seems having closer family would be good not just for finance but I see so many people moving up north to solve problems and it isn't that simple.

My salary will remain the same and would be enough to support us initially if necessary. My partners’ will change but I have factored in the going rate for his industry in the area, as it is slightly lower than the going rate in the south east. We know a couple of people in his industry through friends/family in the area and they don’t think he’ll have a problem getting work. There are also often jobs working for a local company in his industry advertised online so if he needed to work for someone else initially until he finds his feet he could do so. We would still be better off due to the significant difference in housing and childcare costs. I have a lovely colour-coded spreadsheet that shows all the different scenarios with his work, potential salary and potential childcare options so am prepared in that respect.

Ultimately though the goal is not to have a luxurious life in the NW, but simply to be able to buy a home for us to live in and grow our little family which is something that is completely unachievable for us in the SE. It may take a bit of hard work in the NW but our opportunities both now and for our future are far better than where we are currently.

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