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I just want to sell the house and relieve the pressure

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isthesolution · 25/07/2023 19:13

I just feel so tired of feeling so skint.

My husbands job never recovered from covid and then Brexit. He is trying to get extra work but has been in a v niche industry for his whole career so increasing income will take some time. I work 3.5 days - currently no scope to up this.

We have our dream house. It's lovely, in the countryside, big garden, very private. Tried and failed for planning for anything to generate income.

We could sell it, move onto a newer estate, in the catchment area of a top school and be mortgage free.

I don't want to give up the dream house BUT I also want to have money to enjoy experiences with the kids (14, 8) while they are young. My heart is screaming one thing and my head another - help!!

OP posts:
isthesolution · 31/07/2023 08:44

lordloveadog · 29/07/2023 14:57

What do your kids think?

I won't ask the youngest. The eldest likes the idea as long as she doesn't have to get on a school bus! (She wouldn't). She's v mature and sees the practicalities would be worth it.

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isthesolution · 31/07/2023 08:51

Winter2020 · 29/07/2023 09:52

Quote "I think because my friends and family say 'gosh your house is gorgeous. I'd love to live here' I think - yeh it really is a wonderful place to live."

I'm sure your friends think your house is nice but I wouldn't assume their polite conversation means they actually would want to live there. It is quite possible that as they drive away they say:

  • I couldn't live somewhere where I have to get in the car for a pint of milk
  • I couldn't live somewhere where it's not safe to go for a walk (no pavements/fast roads?)
  • It's a shame for the kids that no-one can call for them to play
  • Wouldn't like to heat/maintain that place.
  • wouldn't want to live in a big house if it meant I was skint/had no money for holidays.
They are not going to say those opinions to you if they have any tact.

Of all your reasons to stay or leave the opinions of family and friends are neither here nor there. It really doesn't affect them.

I would discount renting out your house. It is possible your lender would grant permission to let but it sounds like if your tenants didn't pay their rent you would be up shit creek and unable to cover the mortgage as well as your own rent elsewhere.

Also I assume your husband is a higher rate tax payer (or the rent received would make him one) so your mortgage interest would not be fully deductible for tax. All the rent could be used paying the mortgage and you would need to find a big chunk of money for the tax man each year. Money that you don't have. As a big roomy old house I doubt it would be possible to bring it up to EPC C in a few years but you would be expected to spend thousands trying.

It sounds like this big country house has come at the wrong time. It would be fine to choose no meals out/no holidays/restrictive heating etc if it was just you and your partner and your dream but I'm guessing your kids would choose cash to do activities with their friends and holidays if they are asked without guilt about your feelings. Why don't you discuss it with them?

Do you expect your kids will go to university? As a high earning household you will be expected to subsidise them (literally expected - your household income will affect the student finance they have access to). Will they have to go without because your money is going on this house or have you saved to cover this?

If this thread was posted in 20 years time you wouldn't want your kids reply to be 'my parents had a big country house but it meant we could never afford to do anything and we struggled at university because they couldn't pay the parent contribution".

I think you might need to get your head around the fact your dream house might not be fair on your family and it might not be their dream or sacrifices that they would choose to make just to avoid living in a 4 bed detached new build- which actually sounds like a lovely home also.

• I couldn't live somewhere where I have to get in the car for a pint of milk - I've never lived somewhere where I could walk to a shop so it's normal to me.
• I couldn't live somewhere where it's not safe to go for a walk (no pavements/fast roads?) it's very safe to walk. There's a car park 5 mins from my house to allow people to come and enjoy the area.
• It's a shame for the kids that no-one can call for them to play. Son has 3 friends in walking distance.
• Wouldn't like to heat/maintain that place. Maintain is DEFINITELY very expensive! Heat not so much as we striped it back to the walls and have 6inches of insulation on each wall.
• wouldn't want to live in a big house if it meant I was skint/had no money for holidays. Yup and this is the main one. We aren't skint - the kids do a lot of clubs and learn instruments and so on. But we are definitely working through what we have saved.

Uni wise - the eldest wants to do an apprenticeship degree - earn as you learn sort of thing. She's v intelligent so I can't see it being a problem. But she's going to either need a car or a chauffeur!

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Jadegreentee · 31/07/2023 08:59

Your house sounds nice for you. But sounds shit for your kids.

We lived in a rural village on the edge of a City. It was pretty normal for the village teen girls to date older boys who could drive JUST to get about 😂

Mythoughtextract · 31/07/2023 09:06

Housing market is slow at the moment for big country houses (especially if not pristine condition). Get an estate agent who won't overprice your property

stayathomer · 31/07/2023 09:17

It sounds very much like you prefer the possible move to not op! We live rurally and people say how awful to have to drive everywhere and while that is true, I don’t really mind because our town can be very rough and the thought of my kids going out and about in that whenever they felt like it is awful. The biggest thing is if it’s nice and safe really, it sounds like there’s more pros to you moving than not, plus smaller house, quicker to clean! Best of luck in whatever you do op!

UnfunnyJester · 31/07/2023 09:43

Your house sounds gorgeous but really, you and your family need to live a life.

Why is your choice only this place or a mortgage free place in a particular location?

What about another lovely house with a small mortgage?

TheWayTheLightFalls · 31/07/2023 09:48

What does “skint” mean OP? Going into overdraft the day after payday, or not having a (second) holiday abroad every year? Or skipping meals? I think the extent of the problem needs to be defined a bit more clearly.

Yonderway · 31/07/2023 09:49

I would move.
Also your dream home may not be your children's dream home. Living rurally is not ideal for teenagers. They like to be able to do things without forever being taken
Don't listen to people who say get another job, warm more money . Enjoy your time with them while they are still young enough to want to do things with you. Honest they don't stay young forever. Do you want your memories of their childhood to just be you working all the time and too worried about money to enjoy any time with them. I know a lot of people have no choice but it sounds as though you di
When they children have left home if you still want to buy your dream home

mrsbyers · 31/07/2023 10:55

isthesolution · 26/07/2023 09:51

Apparently not an option with our mortgage. We'd have to pay the early exit fee of thousands to move it to buy to let.

Also I think I'm too much of a worrier - I'd be worrying what others were doing in the house, worrying they'd leave and we'd not find new tenants, worrying about the upkeep and various appliance tests etc.

You’ll have to pay the early exit fee anyway ?

Cornishclio · 31/07/2023 10:57

I would give the house up. It is just a house and feeling financially secure gives me peace of mind which is much more important in my book.

Crikeyalmighty · 31/07/2023 11:20

@isthesolution sometimes in life it comes down to heart or head and my head says it's better at this stage of life to have cash in the bank - and less chance of suddenly needing £10k on house repairs etc. help your daughter with a banger and driving lessons , have some enjoyable family trips etc. make it easier for her to have options.

Nothing has to be forever and maybe in 10 years you can revisit the situation. There will be downsides but plenty of upsides- I've got lovely neighbours where I am who chat, take in parcels etc.

If you go for it I would immediately do something positive like book a great family holiday , get everyone a few new clothes etc- start with a positive mind.

fireflyloo · 31/07/2023 12:31

I would move and be mortgage free. We moved a few years back from an expensive city to a less expensive one (to be near family) but the upside was we bought our house outright. The financial freedom is amazing. I personally value having a nice day to day life - holidays, meals out, days out, cinema, self care, facilitating dc clubs alongside upping pension contributions and ISA's. I'd hate to sit in a nice house but have no money to enjoy life.

dinoice · 31/07/2023 12:50

Like others have said, third option. A smaller dream house, a smaller mortgage.

Don't sell dream house for something you don't love.

Find the middle ground.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 31/07/2023 17:29

Lodger?

isthesolution · 02/08/2023 13:16

Thank you all.

Yes I've looked at renting it out and it's not possible on our mortgage so would mean thousands in ERCs plus we just hate the uncertainty of renting it out - it may get damaged, we'd still be responsible for costly repairs etc

No we don't want a lodger - not living with our children.

Sooooo........ we've booked a valuation for next week. I need to know if it's worth what we think and if the whole mortgage free is possible.

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Aubree17 · 02/08/2023 21:09

How much is your mortgage and how much are you struggling?

If the budget is really tight I'd probably do it.

If it's not extremely tight let your heart make the decision.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 05/08/2023 09:15

isthesolution · 02/08/2023 13:16

Thank you all.

Yes I've looked at renting it out and it's not possible on our mortgage so would mean thousands in ERCs plus we just hate the uncertainty of renting it out - it may get damaged, we'd still be responsible for costly repairs etc

No we don't want a lodger - not living with our children.

Sooooo........ we've booked a valuation for next week. I need to know if it's worth what we think and if the whole mortgage free is possible.

Good call, I think. In your shoes I'd go for it, albeit the idea of living so rurally doesn't really appeal to me anyway.

MucozadeOnLucozade · 06/08/2023 15:48

All I would say is that experiences don't need to be expensive. All children want is parents time. Lots of free activities. I would hang on to the dream house.

WoolyMammoth55 · 06/08/2023 16:10

Hi OP, I think getting it valued is a great idea. Let us know how you get on?

I would sell in your shoes.

Make it a 10 year plan to live on the estate/ in town for 10 years, until little one has finished school and got her driving license...

During that mortgage-free decade you and DH enjoy life! Take kids on safari, to Disneyland, all the fun stuff. Suck the marrow out of life!

Then if you want to move back to a dream home-alike place after that, you should be able to get all the pros back without the cons.

Wish you all the best!

Luckydip1 · 06/08/2023 16:14

How about going interest only to reduce your mortgage repayments for a while.

dzara · 06/08/2023 16:18

Quite affected by your story @isthesolution !
Hope you will find the right solution for you soon!
Never been a fan of mortgages myself and debt in general, especially when you factor in perpetual inflation. But often we're not spoilt for choice unfortunately.

calmcoco · 06/08/2023 16:20

I'd go mortgage free. It sounds like there are other benefits too.

Sometimes you have to choose real life over lifestyle.

Jujubes5 · 06/08/2023 16:26

It’s useful to be near sports centres/ running tracks/ swimming pools/cinemas / their friends etc once DCs are teens.

stars345 · 06/08/2023 16:29

You have had some fabulous responses here OP, I just wanted to throw my tuppence in.

We lived in the 'dream house'. It was a fixer upper, a good 45 minute car journey to work, to family, anything interesting really. It was on the coast and I could see the sea from my bedroom window (if I angled myself right!).

I had baby number 2 and became so overwhelmed with raising a small family, working miles away, only having one car between us, the bus route to work was nearly a 2 hour trip. The constant upkeep on the house and fixing things. The basement leaking, the anchient boiler packing in, the SHEER COST of heating the place in winter, 6 years ago, was £450 a month.

It was driving me up the wall.

We too bought a 4 bed detached new build with a garage and double drive. I couldn't face moving into a house that needed ANYTHING doing. I just wanted my home to be a home and not a project.

It's been a good move. We picked a good plot that overlooks the front of the development so lots of light coming in.

Boiler issues, pipes, sewers etc any of it isn't our problem, all under warranty. We only had 2 issues and someone came and fixed it for free.

It's in walking distance to a school. Lovey area. Neighbours seem nice, of course you lose the 'privacy' aspect and mature gardens at the back, but to be honest it's been lovely to see everyone planting trees and bushes and watching them grow, it won't look like it does now forever, plus I planted my own!

If I could be mortgage free whilst the kids were young I would take that. Would probably even take a flat or something because the amount of stuff you can do, experiences you can give them far outweighs the cottage.

Good luck Flowers

orangeblosssom · 08/08/2023 14:38

Could you rent out a part of your house?