Autumn Budget

[OccultOctopus]

Key points so far:

• Upper tax threshold dropped from £150k to £125k
• Other tax thresholds frozen until 2028
• Windfall tax on energy firms to go up to 35%
• Electric cars will have to pay VED from 2025
• Review of a further pension age rise brought forward
• More people on UC to be given 'support coaches' to help them find work
• Spending squeeze on all depts except health

Another thread with so much benefit bashing and mis information about claimants. The people complaining about the uplifts for people on benefits clearly have no idea what it is like to live a daily life on benefits. Thank yourself lucky you are able to work and have choices. I despair.

Can you provide evidence? Because many of these people will be women who were supported by husbands (pensioners now in many cases) and people who were deemed unable to work.

It is not usual for people to never work if they are medically able to and have no other means of support.

Lots of people drop in and out of work of course.

They are. Where the fuck up is to me is :

For eg. Work 16 hours a week at minimum wage and the UC tops you up to more than you would earn if you worked 39hours a week at minimum age.

If they sorted that out, they'd save shit loads of money.

Will the £900 be for those that received the recent £650 ?
It stated ‘means tested’ so it’s sort of thrown doubt in my mind !

@WetLettuce2 Means tested benefits include UC, WTC, CTC etc . It’s highly likely to include those who have received the current payments.

And you also only have to google to find out that most of those are young people who have not yet made their way into the workplace, rather than people who have spent a lifetime on the dole.

Young people aged 16 to 24 years make up 71% of the population who haven't done paid work including students.

Don't forget that many people with the lowest incomes have seen their income decimated since 2010. The unemployed, sick and disabled were all targeted when the Tories first came to power. Closely followed by single parents. Having a 10% increase in benefits when you've had benefit freezes for years doesn't help much especially when services have disappeared.

Yes, there are. You just have to google to find that 3.6 million people of working age have never worked in their lives. Most of them will be on UC

I don't think that statistic is correct at all, and would like to see a fact checker on that.

There will be SAHMs (but presumably they worked before having kids) and people with disabilities (but they are considered differently). There are very few people who have never worked in their lives. Anyone who thinks that there is, has never claimed JSA when it was a thing, or UC now. I can assure you it's no easy option.

You are right, it isn't.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/36million-people-uk-never-worked-14069646?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

I didn’t know that. Doesn’t sound good

Here is the source of @lieselotte's claim. It is largely students that make up the figure.

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity/articles/despiterecordemploymentnearly10ofadultshaveneverdonepaidwork/2019-02-28

It's been the same for years, there has always been a sweet spot of hours that if you go over you're actually worse off. Not sure why tbh.

See link to DWP statistics on who is in receipt of UC and why.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-13-october-2022/universal-credit-29-april-2013-to-13-october-2022#people-on-universal-credit

Of course there will be a few % who are defrauding the system. Fraud overpayments data for FY 2021/22 is at 3% (£6.5bn) but some/most will be recovered.

Most UC recipients though are in work or have limited capability to work - carer responsibilities, disabled themselves, no/limited child care.

41% in work.

59% of claimants are women - I wonder why?!

I thought most people on UC were already in work.

yes, but even if you have a job they might deem your hours of work to few and require you to seek further work hours - get another or additional job

Imo David Cameron and Liz Truss should both be in prison.
The combination of Brexit and Truss's 6 week fuck up have done so much damage to the UK.
People will die.

I don't doubt @ILoveAllRainbowsx story about her father and his friends at all.

I used to work in a Jobcentre and we saw those types of people every week, some a lot more obvious than others.

However, they made up a tiny proportion of the people who were on JSA, the vast, vast majority wanted a job.

Aye, an interesting budget but this is the prevailing subject. Some are just so bitter.

Yes it is. Those on Universal Credit or Pension Credit.

Just to recap, 10% increase for those on benefits and yet 2% increase for those NHS workers working their butts off??

Fuel duty is quietly due to rise by 12p a litre in March 2023, according to various media. This will affect food, goods etc. 🙄

www.gbnews.uk/news/petrol-and-diesel-to-go-up-by-12p-a-litre-secret-plan-to-raise-nearly-6-billion-buried-in-official-budget-documents/392018

a 23% increase on fuel duty proposed for spring/March 2023 which would raise £5.7 billion and be the first raise in fuel duty since 2011

not mentioned in Ops opening post but many drivers will be very upset about this proposal

Government plans to use £6 billion to insulate britians homes and Sizewell C but can't see how that figure is split

just to recap, 10% increase for those on benefits and yet 2% increase for those NHS workers working their butts off??

some will be the same people... which is madness

An absolutely insane budget. Basically if you work you will be taxed into oblivion to pay people on benefits and the moly-coddled pensioners (the richest generation of all) 10% inflation proof increase which most workers are not likely to see. And those on benefits will also get a £900 cost of living payment and more help with paying energy bills.

Why oh why would anyone continue to work if they can go part time and claim top-up benefits or if they have children, they will be better off on benefits if they are earning £50k as they won't start to lose child benefit and will get most of their rent paid. Anyone earning over £100k loses their tax free allowance so have a marginal tax rate of something like 60% (loss of tax free allowance plus 40-45% tax rate).

Anyone with a student loan will be taxed crazy amounts if they get a better paying job so not worth it as they would have to pay back their massive loan plus pay income tax/NI as well.

The Government seem to hate anyone on PAYE and are actively discouraging people from working harder as you will be punished with punitive taxes and no benefits help. It's the economics of the madhouse. I imagine this will just cause even less tax take, worsen productivity even more and disincentive a whole generation from any kind of hard work or entrepreneurship - why bother? By the end of the decade everyone will be claiming some sort of benefit and there will be about ten taxpayers if the economy hasn't completely collapsed by then 😖.

As a "mollycoddled pensioner", I would just like to say that I worked from when I was 16, and paid in for my pension. I never sat around taking handouts of any sorts. And, I still pay tax,🙄