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Autumn Budget

392 replies

OccultOctopus · 17/11/2022 11:56

Key points so far:

  • Upper tax threshold dropped from £150k to £125k
  • Other tax thresholds frozen until 2028
  • Windfall tax on energy firms to go up to 35%
  • Electric cars will have to pay VED from 2025
  • Review of a further pension age rise brought forward
  • More people on UC to be given 'support coaches' to help them find work
  • Spending squeeze on all depts except health
OP posts:
balalake · 17/11/2022 17:52

So no tax increases on Google, Amazon and the others who pay low amounts of business taxes?

caringcarer · 17/11/2022 17:54

@Sadless, if your son works 40 hours at £9.70 he would earn almost £400 per week so could easily afford to pay £120 rent inclusive of bills. He would not pay much tax or NIC on that at all. He would likely have £200 left each week for food and spending money.

MarshaBradyo · 17/11/2022 17:58

Listening now, glad they’re not doing the silly VAT on private schools which is purely ideological. Some extra money instead

Mycatsgoldtooth · 17/11/2022 18:02

Hope you happy clappers for the nhs are enjoying this budget.

Ihavedogs · 17/11/2022 18:02

FacebookPhotos · 17/11/2022 16:24

You will all be old one day.

Yep. I began planning my retirement 40+ years in advance (when I started work) with absolutely no expectation of state support. I see it as my responsibility to ensure I have enough private pension to support myself in retirement.

I completely believe that the state (via tax payers) should support those who are unable (for whatever reason) to support themselves. But I don't really understand why the state should be giving money to people who don't need it. And there are a fair number of people in receipt of state pension who categorically do not need the money.

Surely we should all be responsible for ourselves as far as we possibly can. That way there is sufficient money to properly support those who have no savings but cannot work - through ill health, caring responsibilities, being u18, pensioners who worked low-paid jobs etc.

You obviously were not affected by the Equitable Life fiasco and lost a lot of your pension pot, or the most recent downturn in the stock market which has wiped thousands off the value of pensions.

Lifeisgood1 · 17/11/2022 18:06

Are people on tax credits getting the £900 cost of living payment or just those on UC? Can't see anything online?

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 18:08

Tiredalwaystired · 17/11/2022 13:49

This is the most Labour-esque Tory budget I’ve ever seen (so for that reason I’m broadly in agreement with the decisions made) .

Clearly the Tories trying to win back floating voters. Will be interesting to see how Labour establish some differentials since the tories have nicked all their ideas.

It’s working on me. I was thinking I’ll never vote Tory again but maybe I would if this sensible approach continues.
I’m a genuine floating voter who in the past has voted Labour, Conservative & LibDem.

carefulcalculator · 17/11/2022 18:09

Justbetweenus · 17/11/2022 17:06

Why should we not be given comparable information to evaluate an extra £12bn on pensions uplift to a relatively meagre £1.7bn extra on health? They’re both ‘services’ …It’s like the government think we’re stupid.

(Estimated based on c. 12.4m pensioners x £972 uplift)

Pensions are not a service - they are a direct payment.

I'm not saying the government don't want to present things in a way that benefits them, and I am sure the Tories think I am stupid, but pensions and health service dare not the same.

carefulcalculator · 17/11/2022 18:11

Windingdown · 17/11/2022 17:20

For the first time ever at the last general election more people on low incomes voted for the Conservative Party than for Labour.

This is how the Conservative Party reward that and this is what they think of the poor.

Not many working age low incomes did vote for the Tories - the majority of the new Tory votes came from working class pensioners.

BlessedBeTheFruitCake · 17/11/2022 18:32

Lifeisgood1 · 17/11/2022 18:06

Are people on tax credits getting the £900 cost of living payment or just those on UC? Can't see anything online?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/autumn-statement-2022-cost-of-living-support-factsheet/cost-of-living-support-factsheet

this says Tax Credits will receive the COL payment next year too.

MarshaBradyo · 17/11/2022 18:36

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 18:08

It’s working on me. I was thinking I’ll never vote Tory again but maybe I would if this sensible approach continues.
I’m a genuine floating voter who in the past has voted Labour, Conservative & LibDem.

Floating voters are key. Just watched Hunt’s statement, he did a good job.

Lifeisgood1 · 17/11/2022 18:36

Thank you!

Livelovebehappy · 17/11/2022 18:48

Nothing for the middle earners. Again. Apart from the energy cap. I agree that those on UC who are working should get the 10% increase, but those that don’t work definitely shouldn’t be getting even 1%. In my opinion.

Lougle · 17/11/2022 18:53

Livelovebehappy · 17/11/2022 18:48

Nothing for the middle earners. Again. Apart from the energy cap. I agree that those on UC who are working should get the 10% increase, but those that don’t work definitely shouldn’t be getting even 1%. In my opinion.

I don't work. I save the Government thousands and thousands of pounds on social care for my daughter in exchange for £69.70 per week.

walkinginsunshinekat · 17/11/2022 19:02

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 18:08

It’s working on me. I was thinking I’ll never vote Tory again but maybe I would if this sensible approach continues.
I’m a genuine floating voter who in the past has voted Labour, Conservative & LibDem.

Unbelievable!

Who put us in this mess? we are doing worse than any other major economy, with one of the highest inflation rates and this is forecast to remain.

Then add in Europes worst health and social care systems but you'd vote for it all over again?

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 19:03

MarshaBradyo · 17/11/2022 18:36

Floating voters are key. Just watched Hunt’s statement, he did a good job.

He did, must be worrying for Labour.
He sounded so sensible and centrist.

MarshaBradyo · 17/11/2022 19:05

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 19:03

He did, must be worrying for Labour.
He sounded so sensible and centrist.

Very. I used to not like him at due to lockdown stuff but I’ve changed my mind.

IneedanewTV · 17/11/2022 19:06

OccultOctopus · 17/11/2022 11:59

Me too. Hunt says 600,000 people on UC will get this 'support'.

But a lot choose not to work full time.

Annie232 · 17/11/2022 19:09

antelopevalley · 17/11/2022 13:16

A further pension age rise!
Those in the public sector do not get their private pension until state-age retirement. It is going to be worthless at this rate.

good point. Do teachers/doctors etc only get their occupational pension at state pension age? That would be 67/68 for some people?

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 19:11

walkinginsunshinekat · 17/11/2022 19:02

Unbelievable!

Who put us in this mess? we are doing worse than any other major economy, with one of the highest inflation rates and this is forecast to remain.

Then add in Europes worst health and social care systems but you'd vote for it all over again?

At the moment I’m thinking Yes. Could change by the election but I think Sunak & Hunt currently seem to make a good team.
Politicians are literally always unpopular but I think Labour would have spent even more money on things like the furlough scheme (they certainly wanted it to continue for longer than it did) so we would have even more debt if they had their way.
I like sensible, moderate leaders like Blair in his early years and now Sunak.

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 19:12

Annie232 · 17/11/2022 19:09

good point. Do teachers/doctors etc only get their occupational pension at state pension age? That would be 67/68 for some people?

Yes they do (I work in a school)

MarshaBradyo · 17/11/2022 19:12

Twiglets1 · 17/11/2022 19:11

At the moment I’m thinking Yes. Could change by the election but I think Sunak & Hunt currently seem to make a good team.
Politicians are literally always unpopular but I think Labour would have spent even more money on things like the furlough scheme (they certainly wanted it to continue for longer than it did) so we would have even more debt if they had their way.
I like sensible, moderate leaders like Blair in his early years and now Sunak.

You and me both. I always feel in a minority on mn, glad to see your post 😀

walkinginsunshinekat · 17/11/2022 19:20

Hopefully both of you will remain in the minority of the electorate.

Nobody should think this leopard has changed its spots, Rich once again getting away with it and the poor taking the hit... (most poor are in work and not on UC or not on much) highest taxation since the war and 5% on top of normal CT increases to pay for cuts in services.

Nothing for business support either, esp on energy.

BUT i do agree, Hunt does come across as the more acceptable face of Conservatism.

tis odd, posters call for more Labour policies before they will vote for them, they get them but not good enough, Tories then adopt similar and same posters say "Sensible Tories, i'll be voting for them... "

I guess they were Tories all along.

Pronounbegone · 17/11/2022 19:20

Civil service Alpha pension is also tied to state pension age. Can claim it earlier with actuarial adjustment. Average of about 4% less per year under state pension age.

MarshaBradyo · 17/11/2022 19:26

walkinginsunshinekat · 17/11/2022 19:20

Hopefully both of you will remain in the minority of the electorate.

Nobody should think this leopard has changed its spots, Rich once again getting away with it and the poor taking the hit... (most poor are in work and not on UC or not on much) highest taxation since the war and 5% on top of normal CT increases to pay for cuts in services.

Nothing for business support either, esp on energy.

BUT i do agree, Hunt does come across as the more acceptable face of Conservatism.

tis odd, posters call for more Labour policies before they will vote for them, they get them but not good enough, Tories then adopt similar and same posters say "Sensible Tories, i'll be voting for them... "

I guess they were Tories all along.

You do you and give up on thinking you know people are ‘Tories all along’.It’s tiresome.

Floating voters help win landslides.

Of course Labour loyalists will never switch, it’s no surprise but you are not who counts. If you voted for Corbyn you were in the minority.