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Lizz Truss potentially reneging on promise to increase benefits in line with inflation

44 replies

Danikm151 · 04/10/2022 08:54

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63114183

she’s said that she can keep the promise on pensions because they can’t increase their income but those on benefits can by going into work!
She has forgotten about those that claim benefits but are already in work. Those unable to work due to disabilities or caring for those with disabilities.

Baring in mind an increase in line with inflation would only amount to around £30 a month.

I have no hope in this government.
Anyone else?

OP posts:
dottiedodah · 04/10/2022 15:52

Hoping she wont last the course .Independent Paper saying she has 10 days to prove her worth.Grant Schapps has said he disagrees with her, and Nadine Dorres wants an election! My friend said she thought no one could be worse than Thatcher ,yet here we are!

MidnightMeltdown · 04/10/2022 16:18

cosmiccosmos · 04/10/2022 12:11

They have a massive problem here though because people on benefits received support during covid and have continued to receive additional support. People who work, whether they receive benefits or not, are not getting pay rises in line with inflation.

This will absolutely blow up either way.

People who are working and receiving no benefits have seen their costs rise hugely esp mortgages.

Something need to change drastically because we cannot continue to have people on benefits 'earning' more or close to those who are working ft.

Btw to be clear, i am not talking about people who are disabled or carers because they can't work.

Completely agree with this. People on benefits should not be getting a higher % increase than workers

vickibee · 04/10/2022 16:27

It is not a race to the bottom, they are achieving a divisive situation, everyone at each other’s throats.
I see the main issue as the low wages where full time workers need benefits in order to afford the basics. If wages were higher this would save the government 000s for in work benefits. Too may low paid and insecure jobs

Babyroobs · 04/10/2022 16:48

cptartapp · 04/10/2022 15:42

I hear this too ^.
So many older people in receipt of non means tested benefits they don't need, and don't/won't spend.
The winter fuel allowance should be scrapped, means tested and given out across all ages based on need, simply not on basis of age.

My dad will be getting an extra £1000 this winter in winter fuel payment and the £400 cost of living payment. He is on a fixed tariff until at least next year and is paying no more than normal, has a decent amount of savings and his water bill has just been reduced to £15 a month. Decent state and private pension and frequently trying to give wads of cash away to the grandkids !

whatsthestory123 · 05/10/2022 05:21

what i find alot is people dont really tell the full picture,was on a forum and also here people complaining they were on the basic pension so could not afford heating so i say well you should be entitled to pension credit

then they pipe up "oh me and my husband both get attendance allowance at the high rate" so basically making out they are hard up and had the similar story about someone who pleaded poverty then when things got questioned it comes out the lady forgot to mention that the dc was getting pip etc and was worth over £600 a month she was forgetting to mention and they admitted the child did not really have many expenses

but didnt benefits rises stop for a good few years which must have really eaten into the amount

Ilikepinacoladass · 05/10/2022 07:15

OperaStation · 04/10/2022 09:08

To play devils advocate, most working people aren’t getting pay rises in line with inflation.

Benefits will rise in line with workers pay increases.

People on benefits are disproportionately impacted by inflation as a bigger percentage of their income goes on energy and food apparently

Nw22 · 05/10/2022 07:26

I think the increase in benefits should be the same as the increase in public sector salaries. Same as the state pension.

OperaStation · 05/10/2022 09:30

Ilikepinacoladass · 05/10/2022 07:15

People on benefits are disproportionately impacted by inflation as a bigger percentage of their income goes on energy and food apparently

What about those not on benefits who have been impacted by mortgage and rent increases?

I’m not sure if there will ever be a fair way to address this.

morningstarz · 05/10/2022 09:35

whatsthestory123 · 05/10/2022 05:21

what i find alot is people dont really tell the full picture,was on a forum and also here people complaining they were on the basic pension so could not afford heating so i say well you should be entitled to pension credit

then they pipe up "oh me and my husband both get attendance allowance at the high rate" so basically making out they are hard up and had the similar story about someone who pleaded poverty then when things got questioned it comes out the lady forgot to mention that the dc was getting pip etc and was worth over £600 a month she was forgetting to mention and they admitted the child did not really have many expenses

but didnt benefits rises stop for a good few years which must have really eaten into the amount

There appears to be little understanding here that having a disability makes life more expensive than it would be for an equivalent able bodied person. That is what disability benefits are for. This is why they are not classed as income. FFS.

MidnightMeltdown · 05/10/2022 11:41

People on benefits are disproportionately impacted by inflation as a bigger percentage of their income goes on energy and food apparently

People on benefits get huge amount that is either heavily discounted, or free, that working people have to pay for.

Things like council tax, dental treatment, rent etc.

Benefits should go up in line with public sector wages

whatsthestory123 · 05/10/2022 19:50

morningstarz · 05/10/2022 09:35

There appears to be little understanding here that having a disability makes life more expensive than it would be for an equivalent able bodied person. That is what disability benefits are for. This is why they are not classed as income. FFS.

it may surprise you im disabled and dont need to many extra's and yes i know some need more than the extra payments but as usual some dont read and jump on people and thats why these subjects can never be discussed in a grown up fashion

not every disability requires more than the extra payments
not every disability payments covers all the extra needs

is that clear enough

UnderCoverFieldAgent · 05/10/2022 19:57

OperaStation · 04/10/2022 09:08

To play devils advocate, most working people aren’t getting pay rises in line with inflation.

Benefits will rise in line with workers pay increases.

So true. She can’t raise benefits in line with inflation without raising public sector pay in line with inflation. Obviously she has no say over private sector.

Ilikepinacoladass · 05/10/2022 20:08

MidnightMeltdown · 05/10/2022 11:41

People on benefits are disproportionately impacted by inflation as a bigger percentage of their income goes on energy and food apparently

People on benefits get huge amount that is either heavily discounted, or free, that working people have to pay for.

Things like council tax, dental treatment, rent etc.

Benefits should go up in line with public sector wages

Those things you mention they get help with (council tax, dental treatment, rent etc) are all part of what's meant by 'benefits' (universal credit), they're not getting loads of extra things on top of the benefits.

And they are disproportionately effected by inflation as a higher percentage of their earnings go on food and energy.

Halfpint737 · 05/10/2022 21:47

I get carers allowance for my son and we get DLA too. I do not get free dentist treatment nor do we get help with our council tax. Why do people think people with these benefits should work. Is often not possible. We have to go to school more often then main streaml. Everything is harder for children with additional needs and things do cost more and the amount of paperwork you have to fill in to get DLA is crazy

MidnightMeltdown · 05/10/2022 21:57

@Ilikepinacoladass

What I mean is that they get additional benefits on top of the free money they get from the government.

What do you mean 'earnings'? The vast majority don't earn anything. Hence getting benefits.

Anotherguy · 05/10/2022 22:59

This is the one thing they might get right. No benefits should increase in line with inflation unless all wages do. People on benefits struggle I don’t doubt it, but do so many in work

Ilikepinacoladass · 06/10/2022 01:02

MidnightMeltdown · 05/10/2022 21:57

@Ilikepinacoladass

What I mean is that they get additional benefits on top of the free money they get from the government.

What do you mean 'earnings'? The vast majority don't earn anything. Hence getting benefits.

What additional benefits do they get, on top of their universal credit?

Around 40% of UC claimants are in work. And by earnings I mean wages from work and/or universal credit payments.

echt · 06/10/2022 01:03

cptartapp · 04/10/2022 15:42

I hear this too ^.
So many older people in receipt of non means tested benefits they don't need, and don't/won't spend.
The winter fuel allowance should be scrapped, means tested and given out across all ages based on need, simply not on basis of age.

Who are all these people, and where's your evidence?

This is what happens when such benefits are means-tesetd:

www.ageuk.org.uk/globalassets/age-uk/documents/reports-and-publications/reports-and-briefings/money-matters/benefit-take-up-and-older-people--july-2022.pdf

Monty27 · 06/10/2022 01:14

Many employers pay minimum wage which means the government tops up those employees through universal credit to pay their rent and then there's the food bank. There's a lot of people who are walking round with health issues and dental issues because so much has been privatised. It gives me the wobble.
Omg this country is so broken.

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