To Think People Have No Idea How Covid Messaging Has Changed

[Sunshineguy]

The CDC, HHS, and WHO are warning that Covid infections can get progressively worse and that the risk of Long Covid increases with each reinfection. Are people aware of this change in messaging?

Vulnerable households are very aware.

Every day I lose a little more of my faith in the goodness of other people. Covid never fails to provide a window into how little consideration people give to those around them.

So you had all that time to look it up, and didn't bother once. Yet you did have time to post on here about how you haven't bothered.

Very odd.

@notknowledgeable when it comes to leading cause of death they do add up to 100% as they are expressed as a % of all deaths from gov.uk summary of leading cause of death ( this is England and Wales only)

1. alzeihmers and dementia 11.4%
2. ischaemic heart disease 10.3%
3. chronic lower respiratory infections 5.2%
4. cerebovascular disease 5%
5. maligancy of lungs bronchi etc 5%
6. covid 3.9%

then there are loads more lines but the total of all the lines is 100 so in 2022 there were 577,160 deaths of which 3.9% had covid as leading cause of death (22,509) they may have had other things listed as secondary or tertiary causes, just as the 11.4% with alzeihmers as primary cause almost certainly had secondary causes. in 2022 total number of death certificates mentioniong covid was 46,000, of these just under half (22,509) have covid as the leading cause of death of these only 2760 (6%) have covid as the sole cause of death

the same stats show that lower respiratory infections were the leading cause of more deaths than covid, this doesn't mean covid is not serious 46,000 is a lot of people but it does mean it is not 100% deadlier than flu and other respiratory infections

Just saw this yesterday.
https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk/CD137928/UKs-first-private-pharmacy-COVID-19-vaccine-service-launched-today

This may be true, and in days gone by people may well have cared more about people in their communities. Community was a very real thing, neighbours knew each other, people took responsibility for other people's kids etc. Wonderful in some ways, stifling in others.

Since the 1980s it's been made clear by the powers that be that these things don't matter and hold you back by governments and businesses alike. It's not really surprising that people don't care about people they don't know. Yet here we were suddenly being expected to make indefinite sacrifices for people we had never met.

these are not the numbers you were adding up before, and also you are missing the confusion on respiratory tract infects, which might be pneumonia, which might be covid or flu.

I don't know how much clearer it can be! Look - 700 million known covid infections, 7 million known covid deaths..... 1%! flu - according to the WHO, approx a billion cases per year, max 650 000 deaths, Covid is 100 x more dangerous! ( actually, on these figures, closer to 1000x, but either way, covid is FAAAAAR more deadly than flu - and not only that, flu can leave people disabled, but covid is over 100x more likely to

@Bargello 'Many people are in favour of going back to the 2020 messaging with STAY AT HOME in block capitaks, or the tv ads with crying doctors asking if you could look them in the eye.'

Only read down to your message at moment. Who is saying this?

What are you wanting others to do?

@ticktickticktickBOOM I agree and I think it's such a new virus, there's still so much research into it that is ongoing and will be published in the coming years. Someone posted on my other thread but there is now a reason why my muscles get so sore from doing a minimal amount of exercise https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/04/people-with-long-covid-should-avoid-intense-exercise-say-researchers

People don't understand it yet. At least I got this when I was over 50 so if this is it for me, I have already travelled and lived because believe me, this is a living hell I'm in now where I can't do anything. I feel terribly sorry for the young people suffering from this. I only hope there is a path to recovery for them all.

@notknowledgeable lower respiratory tract infections are a separate line and will include flu pneumonia and others it is perfectly possible to have more than one respiratory infection at the same time which is why some vulnerable people even though they have a viral respiratory infection will be given antibiotics to try and prevent secondary infection as flu is a virus but pneumonia is a bacterial infection.
so some of the people listed as having the leading cause as lower respiratory infection may have covid as a secondary cause and some of the covid as a leading cause may have had another respiratory infection as a secondary cause.
Neither of these alter the fact that when it comes to leading cause it is one or the other. of course there maybe confusion as to whether to put covid or pneumonia or whartever as leading cause but as the tendency was to assume covid back then rather than pneumonia it is more likely to have overestimated covid than under.

" quote from gov.uk Directly comparing COVID-19 deaths with those from flu and pneumonia has limitations. For example, death certificates likely underestimate flu deaths because not all patients are tested for it, and circulating flu causes increases in deaths due to other conditions such as cardiovascular diseases. However, these figures do allow us to compare the trends and approximate mortality associated with each."

I did make a mistake in quoting that 46,000 had covid as main cause when it was actually 46000 had covid on death certificate, so obviously if you add the 46,000 covids to the various other numbers it will come to more than the total number of deaths so I'm sorry it dodn't make sense

but if you add the 22,000 with covid as a leading cause and the 30,012 deaths from lower respiratory tracts as the leading cause plus the numbers for all the other lines it will come to the total number 577,160

Sharing out of dates articles is hardly research 🙄

You are completely misunderstanding what pneumonia is. It is a lung infection. Covid IS a pneumonia. Flu IS a pneumonia. So a death from pneumonia may very well be a death from covid or from flu, but it isn't really worth trying to find out, in most cases.

Pneumonia isn't a bacterial infection, although a bacterial infection may be pneumonia, and some specific bacteria cause a lot of pneumonia

l thought Covid was a vascular disease.

Yes, I'm pretty sure this is now medical fact.

But people seem to be generally thinking of it as a cold or flu type disease, I don't think the change in knowledge has sunk in.

Nope, respiratory - it can cause inflammation of other organs etc. most of this is down to the hosts immune response, flu can do the same.

No, not medical fact at all, it's been quoted so many times the general populus believe it to be true - it is however scientifically and medically respiratory.

@notknowledgeable ok pneumonia can be viral or bacterial point taken however the point still stands as per gov.uk quote that is much more likely that a pneumonial / flu death was recorded as covid rather than the other way about.

and they are recorded as separate things on the death statisitcs

As covid was being actively tested for in 2022 it is likely that only someone who tested negative for covid was put down as a flu/ pneumonia lower respiratory infection as leading cause of death, so it is highly unlikely that the recording of covid was underestimated but rather than other respiratory infections were underestimated as not tested for,

of the 30,000 deaths from other respiratory infections about 15,000 were attributed to flu. this would give a population mortality rate of flu is 0.025% rather than 0.01%
22,000 covid deaths would give a population mortality rate of 0.037% which is about 1.5 times higher than that of flu even going at the 46,000 figure would give population mortality 0.07% which is 3 times higher than flu not 100 times higher

If you have a virus, not just covid, stay home if at all possible.

if you can’t stay home, take measures to protect people around you. Put on a mask. Wash your hands frequently.

if you are meeting up with someone and going to be spending significant time with them, let them know in advance you or someone in your household are sick so they can make an informed decision about meeting. You may not be privy to their full circumstances.

@Jb2182 I'm immunocompromised so I don't have the same reaction to the vaccines
But yeah they did, I'm not dead and wasn't in hospital which with virtually no immune system is pretty decent
I also had antivirals

I wasn't actually minimising flu - I've had flu. Yes it's horrendous however I felt covid was worse as my breathing was affected.

Fair enough.

As you've pointed out - there is so much misinformation it's impossible to know what's fact and what's speculation. It's impossible for the public to know what the correct and current thinking is. The British Heart Foundation are citing research which point towards vascular disease as being the reason it damages the circulatory system most predominantly - even if the origianl chest infection is mild.

I've had covid 3 times and not a cough or breathing problems with any of them.

Were there? I thought that flu was offered much more widely and all kids over two, more health conditions than with covid, many have it paid through by work, people can buy it at a chemist etc, whereas covid vaccine was paid for, stockpiled and presumably will be destroyed rather than offering it more widely? (I'm UK based).

It would be for YOUR health not just other people's.

One thing that's becoming clearer and clearer is that no one should be thinking of themselves as fundamentally safe from long covid. None of us are.

What are you doing to avoid Covid?