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Rise in numbers of cases of unprovoked blood clots since covid?

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CoffeeBoy · 04/12/2022 07:38

Does anyone know any stats regarding this? I’m interested in the amount of people in the U.K. who have been diagnosed with clots compared to pre covid times. I’m specifically interested in people who have been diagnosed with clots not necessarily linked to having (ie they don’t have covid at the time of the clot).

I’ve been googling and can’t find anything

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Beaniesmumsie · 30/04/2023 19:23

I had PE post Covid and pregnant, so it was provoked. However I didn’t have any issue first pregnancy so the doctor reckons it was caused by covid

Choconuttolata · 02/05/2023 13:25

Rivaroxaban can make you feel nauseous. Yes in DH's case they definitely attributed it to Covid, but did other tests to be sure and he saw a haematologist before stopping them.

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GoldenAye · 03/05/2023 01:38

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This is a thread about blood clots post-covid - statistically, a phenomenally larger problem than blood clots post-vaccine. No points for trying.

Oglinawu · 03/05/2023 06:40

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NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 03/05/2023 06:44

Thank you HQ Brew

Alex1992 · 03/05/2023 12:38

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GoldenAye · 03/05/2023 13:36

@Alex1992

But how can you be sure how a blood clot was caused since most on here will be both vaccinated AND have had Covid? There is a risk from Covid, plus an additional risk from the vaccines.

Again, statistically the chances are much, much lower that it was caused by the vaccine.

Alex1992 · 03/05/2023 13:43

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CoffeeBoy · 03/05/2023 16:38

This is a study about post covid clot risk

Blood clot risk remains elevated nearly a year after COVID-19 | American Heart Association

This is one I've found about clotting post vaccine

Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome - Hematology.org

I might be reading it wrong but I think it says the risk of a clot following covid is 10,500 in 1.4 million.

The risk from a clot post vaccine is 1 in 100,000

Someone better at maths than me might be able to get them into comparable stats? Ie what is the covid risk as a 1 in 100,000 figure.

What I did think was interesting was for covid clots they counted a much longer period.

DD had covid in fEB/march time. She had a covid vaccine in May.

She was diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism in November but she had been symptomatic of clots for a good couple of months before her diagnosis. She does now think it was the vaccine which caused it. I have tried to tell her it was more likely to be covid (or neither) but in her mind the vaccine was more recent.

Blood clot risk remains elevated nearly a year after COVID-19

People who had COVID-19 early in the pandemic had a heightened risk of clots up to 49 weeks later, according to a large study from England and Wales.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19

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RedToothBrush · 04/05/2023 08:05

I might be reading it wrong but I think it says the risk of a clot following covid is 10,500 in 1.4 million.
The risk from a clot post vaccine is 1 in 100,000

I'm not being funny here but this isn't difficult maths and your level of understanding on risk and how risk works is equally poor and I think this means you are getting overly worked up.

I've not read the article and I have no intention of doing so, based on your numbers above its simple.

For every 100000 people vaccinated there is one person who gets a clot

And for every 1.4million people who get COVID 10500 get a clot. That's 1.4million divided by 10500 or 133.3 to 1.

But it's also not that simple. You have to think about WHO is getting ill in that. Are some people more at risk of getting COVID even after vaccination. The answer to this is yes - vaccinations are less effective the older you are and there is the issue of the self selecting nature of who hasn't had vaccinations. This tends to be socio-economic or age related. In other words are people more are risk less likely to get a vaccination? This kinda matters. Are these people more at risk of clots than the rest of the population anyway? What is your base rate WITHOUT COVID or vaccines for this self selected group? Can you do a good control group for people who distrust healthcare? (Are they are less likely to engage with other health issues - and this be in poorer health but this isn't recorded on paper because they haven't seen a doctor?) How big are these clots and how much were we looking for clots pre COVID? If we weren't looking for clots in such a large population level before COVID how reliable is our control data? Is it possible it was typical to have clots that don't affect us / or weren't spotted / there were conditions that were attributed to something else because no one thought to look for clots before?

Understanding risk data is about asking what the data shows - and what it doesn't show. If you just look at the numbers it's value is a lot more limited than you might realise. You have to consider the limitations of the data and ask questions about it's integrity and the breadth of what it measures and what it can't account for.

This is the real issue with single studies. You need multiple different ones over a period of time to consider these different types of angle at length and eliminate other factors.

It's too easy to jump to incorrect assumptions...

Marie0001 · 04/05/2023 08:12

I might be reading it wrong but I think it says the risk of a clot following covid is 10,500 in 1.4 million.
The risk from a clot post vaccine is 1 in 100,000

Someone better at maths than me might be able to get them into comparable stats? Ie what is the covid risk as a 1 in 100,000 figure.

based on your comment;

covid chance is 750 of 100,000 ie 0.75%

post vaccine chance is 1 of 100,000 ie 0.001%

Throwncrumbs · 04/05/2023 08:12

EKGEMS · 04/12/2022 12:17

Believe me you do NOT want a blood clot-it is awful-I developed one from a central venous line and a second during cancer treatment-I've seen fatalities from blood clots as a nurse and I don't feel blood thinners are overkill

I couldn’t agree more. I had covid at Christmas and had DVT in March and am probably going to be on blood thinners for life now. I do have a few chronic illnesses which are managed by my consultants. I was fit and healthy (full on, full time job on a surgical unit)until 2019. It’s shit getting older!

Lcb123 · 04/05/2023 08:14

Maybe because everyone sat around eating and boozing during Covid and doing no exercise…

Marie0001 · 04/05/2023 08:18

Marie0001 · 04/05/2023 08:12

I might be reading it wrong but I think it says the risk of a clot following covid is 10,500 in 1.4 million.
The risk from a clot post vaccine is 1 in 100,000

Someone better at maths than me might be able to get them into comparable stats? Ie what is the covid risk as a 1 in 100,000 figure.

based on your comment;

covid chance is 750 of 100,000 ie 0.75%

post vaccine chance is 1 of 100,000 ie 0.001%

Fyi the maths is:

you need to convert 1,400,000 into 100,000 so divide by 14 (ie 1,400,000 divided by 100,00 = 14)

do the same to the 10,500 (ie 10,500 divided by 14 = 750)

.. so 10,500 of 1.4m is the same as 750 of 100,000

Sudeko · 04/05/2023 08:32

You must split the data between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

Alex1992 · 04/05/2023 11:35

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RedToothBrush · 04/05/2023 11:38

The data is fairly useless...

StillOnly31 · 04/05/2023 12:27

What are the warning signs of blood clots?

Alex1992 · 04/05/2023 12:29

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StillOnly31 · 04/05/2023 12:27

What are the warning signs of blood clots?

I had a slightly swollen vein in my calf, a bit tender but not painful. Also I was very breathless - apparently the clot had started to break up and the bits were lodging in my lungs. More than one doctor has looked at the X rays and said I'm lucky to still be here!

StillOnly31 · 04/05/2023 17:35

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What a flippant and inappropriate anti-vax comment.😕

Alex1992 · 04/05/2023 21:16

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