National acknowledgement of how rubbish the initial phase was

[avocadoandchill]

Is there some kind of national acknowledgement of just how rubbish the pandemic was back in 2020? The deaths, the lockdowns, the effect on mental health. I'm wondering if there's an inquiry or something or a museum. Something that marks what was for many a truly awful tim.

The EU actually had a far better vaxx program, they started slower (because they took the time to access the vaccines) but didn't use the ineffective (against Omicron) and dangerous AZ, (blood clots in the under 40s)

UK then had to pay through the nose for extra doses of Pfizer etc.

Hence why AZ isn't used anymore.... but lets not talk about that.

WTF is wrong with Midazolan?

I think your thread has got slightly off on the wrong foot by attracting someone with very strong and non mainstream views as the first reply!

I think wedo need a convo. I have covid atm, it's shit, and also very confusing about what to do as there are CEV people around who can't be jabbed. But the govt advice seems to be act as if its a cold, which feels all wrong.

I know so many children with extreme mental health issues/suicide risk/school refusal. The mental health provision can't cope with the volume of demand so parents are being left to try to manage their suicidal child alone. If you have a child who isn't actively suicidal, you cant even get help privately. It's awful.

Excess deaths from cancer have increased due to people not getting diagnosed/treated quickly enough in the pandemic.

At work people don't want to travel and are getting overwhelmed by work events that used to be routine.

All our public services are broken and we have just got used to shit service during the pandemic.

I hate it and yes, I want some acknowledgement about the impact the response to the pandemic has had on society. I hate the "new normal" and acknowledgement would help (rather than just pretending the world has always been like this)

@AdamRyan Thank you yes. I think you are understanding what I was trying to say.

Yes, Kikikik, the way Covid was used by certain groups to bring about all the changes that will have such a negative impact on the futures of the general public is very concerning.

As the majority only read/listen to sources from the MSM the implications to our finances, health and legal rights are being ignored.

There is now a push for a Covid 'amnesty' by those who were the most authoritarian in their views.

What is actually needed is more investigation into the financial and legal changes put in place while we were all encouraged to clap & bang pot lids etc, shun our family and friends, and accept new pharmaceutical treatments without question.

Anyone who needs closure would be best advised to seek it for themselves, so it can be focused on what it meant for them.

Lots of people were impacted but in very different ways.

People running tiny companies with no experience who snagged million pound government contracts without any bidding process will be feeling very different to anyone whose loved ones died.

Do what you need to do to find your own closure. The whole process finding what you need and doing it will be worthwhile. All the best.

Are any other countries doing this @avocadoandchill or were we the only one to suffer from Covid?

No idea I'm not in any other country

Sounds like you don't believe the seriousness of covid, so i don't know why you need closure for it.

Adam "I hate it and yes, I want some acknowledgement about the impact the response to the pandemic has had on society. I hate the "new normal" and acknowledgement"

do you want the government to acknowledge something?

I don't see anyone pretending "new normal" has always been the case because then they wouldn't call it a new normal!

Of course I do. I keep seeing people say we need to move on and whilst I'm not sure it's possible to move on completely if we are meant to be "in the new normal" I feel there should be a time to reflect etc on everything that has happened.

Seriously. We moved on to live with covid. It's not over yet, so it sounds so silly to say you need the time to reflect, when there are still people getting seriously ill and dying everyday here and in the world.

If I'm being expected to carry on as if it doesn't exist then I don't think I can do that without acknowledging how bad it was/is

I don’t really understand who you want the acknowledgement/closure from? Government wouldn’t have anything to do with a concert, not sure anyone would want to visit a museum

do you want the government to acknowledge something?
Yes. I'd like them to acknowledge the impacts of our covid response and have some kind of plan to get back to "old normal"

For example, some kind of approach to dealing with the epidemic of suicidal teenagers would be helpful. As opposed to "moving on" and ignoring the overwhelmed CAMHS services that mean families are being left with this extreme mental distress.

An action plan for dealing with the cancer excess deaths, maybe compensation for those patients who weren't diagnosed/treated in the pandemic and are terminally ill as a result.

Action to stop customer services using "we are experiencing an unprecedented crisis due to covid 19," as a reason not to answer the phone or speak to customers. The pandemic started almost 3 years ago and we have no restrictions so it shouldn't be acceptable for customer service to be limited.

The covid response is similar to the brexit response- "its shit, get over it and move on!"

Its not too much to expect the Government, incharge of the country, to have a plan for responding to these things. They don't though and are expecting us to not ask questions or acknowledge how shit things are.

As a country we are really accepting the dregs now and it's not surprising our living standards are going backwards.

To me, it's not covid itself that is the problem, it's the ongoing impact of the actions taken during covid that are causing problems and noone really discusses it.

If I'm being expected to carry on as if it doesn't exist

Who said this? Who is expecting you to carry on as if it doesn't exist?
Covid didn't magically disappear, it still exists. It just become same as any other illnesses because we now have vaccines and better treatment. Same as flu. It became more of personal responsibility. But you already know that, right.

Places of work?

Then acknowledge it and move on. The amount of people that were 'done' with covid, were moving on, living their lives, now it's the same people going on about not moving on. It feels like some people aren't happy unless they have something to moan about.

I don’t want a concert or a minute silence or any public outpouring.

I just want people held accountable.

I imagine it's different people

I think now I know there is an inquiry and a memorial wall I feel a bit better about it all. Like it's not just being ignored.

Action to stop customer services using "we are experiencing an unprecedented crisis due to covid 19," as a reason not to answer the phone or speak to customers. The pandemic started almost 3 years ago and we have no restrictions so it shouldn't be acceptable for customer service to be limited.

Well, a lot of that part is the labour shortage. So all the government could really do there us legislate to prevent those words being used. They couldn't make customer service not limited.