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Schools still a covid shitshow

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noblegiraffe · 19/03/2022 12:40

"Schools have been forced to send year groups home this week because of "rapidly rising" Covid rates among staff and an inability to find supply teachers, it has emerged.

The removal of the need for Covid testing among staff and pupils was making the situation worse, with some schools now experiencing their worst absence levels of the pandemic, a headteachers' leader told Tes.

Heads warn that some schools are having to send year groups home on a rota or combine class groups in an attempt to protect exam year groups from more disruption."

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/covid-schools-absence-send-year-groups-home-cases-spike

Some will claim that getting rid of testing would improve the situation, but clearly a situation where lots of teachers are getting ill and requiring a few days off school to recover, regardless of isolation rules, is not 'getting back to normal'.

The teachers that I know who have had covid recently would have required a few days off school despite it being 'mild' even without isolation guidance, even though teachers are well-known for dosing on Lemsip and turning up to school regardless of illness because setting cover work is worse.

Still, the covid catch-up effort has basically fizzled out, and it's looking like zero effort will be made by the government to support children in recovering their education from the impact of absences and lack of teachers.

Exams start in a couple of months for kids who are having an extremely disruptive time. The government has fixed the exam grades so that they will come out with better results than the 2019 cohort, this will basically cover up the impact on educational standards. How this will play out down the line at uni/college/sixth form is anyone's guess.

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Hercisback · 31/03/2022 20:41

my kids are year 11 and 10 and haven't had a single teacher off this year.

Bully for them.

IF what you say is true, dk you think t

itsgettingweird · 31/03/2022 20:44

My school is now 30% of staff off with covid. Some only had it just before Christmas.

It's a nightmare.

noblegiraffe · 31/03/2022 20:58

[quote Wizzbangfizz]@noblegiraffe I work in the media so have a fair idea how it works and how and why things are covered. I don't buy the narrative being pedalled on here that there is a great government led cover up Hmm [/quote]
Who said great government led cover up?

What's interesting is you trying to suggest that what has been reported on this thread, in the TES, and in Schoolsweek and has data to back it up isn't true.

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cantkeepawayforever · 31/03/2022 21:04

Wizzbang, could you explain why the media have universally used photographs of schools with social distancing, small groups and often masks, even when this has in no way reflected reality? Why has this editorial decision been made to - if not deliberately obfuscate - at the very least subliminally affect public views through misleading and unrealistic images that have distorted the public impression of Covid life in schools?

CallmeHendricks · 31/03/2022 21:06

Wouldn't someone in the media know the correct form of peddle/pedal?

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2022 21:07

apparently for other health problems (and those patients happen to also test positive).

That isn't what that means. Many people have turned up with associated problems such as breathing difficulties; D and V; tachycardia - tested . Oh look. Covid.

The broken leg thing is a covid denier myth in large part.

At least you said 'apparently'.

IEatChocolateForBreakfast · 31/03/2022 21:08

@CallmeHendricks

"But more than 50% of all admissions are apparently for other health problems (and those patients happen to also test positive)." Do you have a direct link to where that distinction is made?

This has been mentioned and explained in detail in the news many times now. I believe it's also mentioned in government press conferences:

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2022 21:10

Well, one thing's for sure the media have had to do a fair bit of backpedalling on the situation in schools.

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2022 21:13

Also, if one works in the media, one knows about the ownership of the media. One would know about the assorted biases of , for example, The Telegraph and The Mail.

RadioRouge · 31/03/2022 21:15

Does anyone know, is this it now? You take time off work because one of your children is ill with covid, then you take time off work because the other one is ill with covid, then you take time off work because the youngest's class or year has been sent home because the school staff are ill with covid, then you take time off work because the eldest's year or class has been sent home because the school staff are ill with covid, then you take time off work because you yourself are ill with covid, and repeat it all again next year or maybe even next term. How many more years until we reach herd immunity or whatever? How many more years of this?

noblegiraffe · 31/03/2022 21:16

Talking of national news, Jenny Harries thinks we should all start wearing face masks again as covid levels are so high and it's putting unbearable pressure on the NHS. Perhaps she should be telling people to be very committed to their jobs, instead?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keep-wearing-facemasks-because-of-high-covid-levels-public-urged-v0p028vq6

Incidentally, at the end of the Times article it says:

"Geoff Barton, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said: “It is frustrating and disappointing that the Department for Education has only now communicated its ‘living with Covid’ plans to schools and colleges 24 hours before this significant change takes place.”

He said that scrapping the free Covid tests meant the government had dispensed with one of the few remaining tools for tackling the virus, which “comes at a time when there are very high levels of staff and pupil absence in many schools and colleges caused by Covid. Abandoning free testing in this context, and with public exams looming, makes absolutely no sense at all.”"

Is it true now it has been in the Times?

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Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2022 21:18

Harries spends so much time now trying to undo untold damage she did earlier in the pandemic, particularly re masks.

Pieceofpurplesky · 31/03/2022 21:32

We had 11/49 staff off today and countless pupils. We also had many coughing and wheezing. Parents are not testing and sending kids in.

It is real, naysayers

Sherrystrull · 31/03/2022 21:44

@Watapalava

I guess it’s more down to attitudes and testing

In my work we are tested 3x a week

No one does it because none of us want to stay off work

Those who’ve had it haven’t been that ill where they’d need to be off

Many of us likely have it and are working unknowingly but again no disruption because we don’t test even tho we are advised to

Some people like looking for covid

Some people take the piss and want to stay at home

I don’t believe all these teacher absences are due to serious illness given they must or should be triple vax by now

It doesn’t fit the narrative of what’s happening nationwide with other adults

The ones in my work who test are the ones still terrified of covid. Seems so odd that most people now are mildly ill yet teachers are strangely on death door the way you lot carry on!

I did LFTs to protect the people I care about, my family, the children in my class and their families. Teachers build relationships with all those people and take it very seriously looking after them.

That's my attitude to covid and the attitude of the majority of school staff I know. Our decisions affect many others not just ourselves.

Mooloolabababy · 31/03/2022 21:54

I work in early years and KS1, our school currently have about 1/3 of our staff off with covid. I am one of them and am double jabbed and boostered. We've had to close 2 classes this week due to staff absences as we're unable to get relief cover. This is my 1st time at catching covid and It's totally floored me. I tested positive last Thursday and I still feel completely drained. There's no way I could go back to work in early years as I just don't have the energy, I'm knackered constantly.
We currently go by the 5 day rule at our school, so 5 days at home and then back regardless of still being positive. I'm on day 7 and there's no way I could have gone back on day 5. Parents aren't testing anymore as they don't have to, obviously the knock on effect is that there's more children staying in school who are positive and passing it on to the school staff. We've had staff absences in the past due to covid, but not so many at the same time as we have now. All staff currently off are off because they feel too ill to come back to school and not because they're waiting for their 5 days to pass. I can only see this getting worse.

user1471509171 · 31/03/2022 22:55

@Watapalava up until now we as school staff were required to test twice weekly and report results to our SLT. Not because we are Covid scared or looking for a week off. We are close contacts with multiple positives daily so maybe that is why we are ill. Also we have all doors and windows open all day it's bloody freezing. That makes me feel ill sometimes because I spend the whole day absolutely freezing cold. I struggled with that when I came back from having Covid.

PinkAndViolet · 31/03/2022 23:09

My kids school has been fine. Surprised to read this thread. Guess it's different where you live

CallmeHendricks · 31/03/2022 23:36

How do you know it's been fine?

cantkeepawayforever · 31/03/2022 23:43

@PinkAndViolet

My kids school has been fine. Surprised to read this thread. Guess it's different where you live
If you are a member if school staff, have access to daily absences, and still say you know the school has been fine, I will believe you.

If you are not school staff, how do you know they are fine? Is every class taught by a qualified teacher? Their normal teacher? An adult per class? Or several classes in the hall?

There is a HUGE difference between a school’s ‘public face’ and what is really going on, in many cases.

RadioRouge · 31/03/2022 23:43

@PinkAndViolet

My kids school has been fine. Surprised to read this thread. Guess it's different where you live
You haven't had to take time off work because the schools have sent classes or year groups home? I think it's been worse for us this school year than the last two. I've had to take time off because one of the children was ill with covid, when the other one had it, when I had it, and when the school hasn't had enough staff. People send their children in with covid, so the teachers get it, get ill, and the school doesn't have enough staff. We've got one teacher off with long covid who is in a terrible state by all accounts, two retiring on the dot of 60 this year because they've had enough, and fewer TAs because the school made some of them redundant to offset the cost of all the covid supply teachers. I keep wondering if this is how it is now.
NeedAHoliday2021 · 31/03/2022 23:46

Dd Year 9 home schooled yesterday, Year 8 today and year 7 Friday (Although Dd tested positive this morning so she’s off anyway).

Primary is less bad - one case in most classes except one that has 4.

RadioRouge · 31/03/2022 23:52

Is every class taught by a qualified teacher? Their normal teacher? An adult per class? Or several classes in the hall?

I'm not @PinkAndViolet @cantkeepawayforever but here are my answers. I would be interested to see other peoples.
No. Not always, and not at the moment. Not always. Yes. Multiple classes in the hall is becoming something of a norm.

Madferit · 01/04/2022 02:42
Hmm
Schools still a covid shitshow
PinkAndViolet · 01/04/2022 09:51

I know most teachers have been in class as normal and not had to collect kids from school or anything like that.
I sympathise with those who have had disruptions still but it has not been our experience.

OnceuponaRainbow18 · 01/04/2022 15:51

My school have just emailed all parents saying those with covid symptoms and a temp can’t go into school even after 1st April.