How do you feel about testing/isolation ending?

[Usernumber5253747293]

If it happens ^

I was speaking to a relative earlier and I was saying how glad I will be when and if all the isolation and testing rules end. It's not that I don't take covid seriously, because we really have. I spent nearly 2 years being so anxious about getting to catching it and being fine!! I know not everyone gets away with it's so mildly but my experience of covid wasn't too bad at all!

Anyway, both dc have sen. Isolation periods have been hard (Dd has had covid twice) m, holding down to test them has been hard, waiting for test results etc. I can't bloody wait to feel like I don't have to anymore. We all had covid in December. The isolation period was hell, far worse than the actual illness. My dc were climbing the walls! Dc had barely any symptoms really and found the isolation hard.

Of course if dc were ill I'd keep them off until better as I would have before covid. I've always kept my kids away from people when germy.

My relative is moaning about all the rules ending and how it will spread it! Which is ironic as they were very poorly last month with covid symptoms and didn't test or isolate but that's another story 😅

I just feel people should use their common sense. If you feel ill, stay home. If you have to go out when ill don't go too close to people, wash your hands and practise good respiratory hygiene!

It's a good thing right? Surely I'm not the only one waiting ever so patiently for any announcement over it 😅

I also think the risk of isolation now outweighs the benefits. Loss of education, impact on £, loss of essential services whilst staff are off sick. It's a rock and a hard place.

I hope free LFTs will still be available to vulnerable people because that's the best line of defence we have. If I test positive I know not to take my medication which would make covid much worse, for example. And knowing that friends can do an LFT before they meet me is reassuring. I'm genuinely pleased for everyone that life is returning to normal, but I think taking away CEV people's last defence would be a really bad move.

I think some people (if they're able to financially/commitments-wise) will still choose to SI. Without PCRs (which as I understand it will be done away with) LFTs will allow them to do so, even if they have to pay for them.

I test daily out of necessity so charging for them would be crippling for me.

And stop acting like you're bothered about the vulnerable because you clearly only care about people who are vulnerable to Covid. You clearly don't give a damn if people are unable to put the heating on or feed their kids. You're as selfish as anyone else.

Wow! Making things up now. ou can't pretend to know what I'm thinking - that's daft. Shows how weak your argument is, doesn't it? I'm getting a load of grief for wanting to protect vulnerable relatives and friends from people who just want to look after Number One!

Typical of some of the selfishness on this forum.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Personally, isolation was always a bigger worry to me than the actual virus, I doubt I'm in a minority here

This.

I'll be happy. Can't wait. I will never test again ☺️

@cocktailclub

As others have said the vulnerable need to take steps to protect themselves now. You can't expect millions of healthy people to put their ability to earn a living and feed themselves at risk indefinitely. If you know you are extremely clinically vulnerable then take additional precautions Sorry but the mental health, financial stability and well being of millions has to now take precedent

So you want to condemn them to isolation because you don't want to isolate.

Sorry but their mental health has also taken a battering and they matter every bit as much as anyone else. You don't get freedom by imprisoning others in a civilised society.

Your well-being doesn't have to take precedent, actually. Everyone is entitled to a degree of freedom and forcing the already suffering back into their homes so you can have freedom is selfish and unpleasant.

So what's the answer @AndAsIfByMagic ?

Because obviously we can't just go on like this forever?

@AndAsIfByMagic

And stop acting like you're bothered about the vulnerable because you clearly only care about people who are vulnerable to Covid. You clearly don't give a damn if people are unable to put the heating on or feed their kids. You're as selfish as anyone else.

Wow! Making things up now. ou can't pretend to know what I'm thinking - that's daft. Shows how weak your argument is, doesn't it? I'm getting a load of grief for wanting to protect vulnerable relatives and friends from people who just want to look after Number One!

Typical of some of the selfishness on this forum.

I want to look after my vulnerable relative too. My child. And I need to do that by working. Your vulnerable relatives aren't the only vulnerable people in the world.

@Poll4 I like my idea of having CV hour at places. You have to lft to get in. Better still if it’s restricted to CV plus one. Of course I have no idea how it would work in practice and it would be down to local businesses too. Maybe there could be a government grant for it as an incentive.
It may well be pie in the sky but I would like to go to a shop. I’d like to get takeaway coffee and cake!

@AndAsIfByMagic

And stop acting like you're bothered about the vulnerable because you clearly only care about people who are vulnerable to Covid. You clearly don't give a damn if people are unable to put the heating on or feed their kids. You're as selfish as anyone else.

Wow! Making things up now. ou can't pretend to know what I'm thinking - that's daft. Shows how weak your argument is, doesn't it? I'm getting a load of grief for wanting to protect vulnerable relatives and friends from people who just want to look after Number One!

Typical of some of the selfishness on this forum.

And you're getting grief because you are refusing to acknowledge that Covid is not the only thing people are vulnerable to. You're being wilfully ignorant. "Just get sick pay" sick pay is NOT ENOUGH to pay for bills and a mortgage.

As others have said the vulnerable need to take steps to protect themselves now

To be absolutely fair, I'm not sure how CEV people are meant to do this, or what 'steps' we're supposed to take. Vaccines don't work very well for many of us, so there's our first 'step' banjaxed. Then there's the probability that testing will end, including free LFTs, which for many of us have been a mainstay in managing our risk. We'll have to go to work, use public transport etc knowing that people with covid will be around us in far greater numbers than before. I'm not sure what these 'steps to protect' ourselves that I keep reading about on here actually are?

I'm in favour of restrictions ending as I've said. But please don't assume that CEV people are able to protect ourselves from covid in any tangible way if we're to go to work/have DC in school/get on a bus and so on. We can't, not really. That's the reality of all restrictions going unfortunately.

I want to look after my vulnerable relative too. My child. And I need to do that by working. Your vulnerable relatives aren't the only vulnerable people in the world

Remember, your selfishness is immoral but the selfishness of people who want continued covid restrictions is righteous.

So you want to condemn them to isolation because you don't want to isolate

Sorry but their mental health has also taken a battering and they matter every bit as much as anyone else. You don't get freedom by imprisoning others in a civilised society

Your well-being doesn't have to take precedent, actually. Everyone is entitled to a degree of freedom and forcing the already suffering back into their homes so you can have freedom is selfish and unpleasant

You what some to give up their freedom for others Rather than some taking sensible measure to protect themselves.

You can not keep restricting the larger group at a massive detriment to them for the slight benefit of a small minority.

You can not keep restricting the larger group at a massive detriment to them for the slight benefit of a small minority

I absolutely agree with this but...

some taking sensible measure to protect themselves

...what sensible measures do you suggest?

@VikingOnTheFridge

I want to look after my vulnerable relative too. My child. And I need to do that by working. Your vulnerable relatives aren't the only vulnerable people in the world

Remember, your selfishness is immoral but the selfishness of people who want continued covid restrictions is righteous.

They love to take the moral high ground. She said it herself in her post that she wants to protect her own relatives and friends. Just like the rest of us. Anyone who says they aren't more concerned about their own loved ones than strangers is lying. I'm not going to pretend that my first priority isn't my own family because I'm not a hypocrite.

I think that what I'm getting at is, ending isolation is absolutely essential now. But please don't underestimate how concerned many CEV people are, or belittle their worries, or imagine that they are able to protect themselves. The last point in particular.

The Cabinet meeting to sign off the end of isolation just got cancelled ten mins before it was due to start.

Its being reported that theres a big row between No10, the DoH and the Treasury thats broken.

So god knows what that means. It certainly suggests theres a major disagreement going on. Money has to be on funding for lateral flows (free tests for universities got axed on Friday)

(Either that or the message Guido Fawkes just retweeted has caused a stir
A Tory MP, a drag queen, a lap dance and sex acts with a giant dildo - the video coming soon... )

Given PartyGate, I dread to think what Boris has been up to!

@0pheliaBaIIs

You can not keep restricting the larger group at a massive detriment to them for the slight benefit of a small minority

I absolutely agree with this but...

some taking sensible measure to protect themselves

...what sensible measures do you suggest?

Don't know. Honestly it's not my problem and people with more brains and bigger salaries than me need to work it out

Don't know. Honestly it's not my problem and people with more brains and bigger salaries than me need to work it out

Fair enough! All I'm saying is that CEV people don't know either so it's a bit galling when people tell us to 'take steps to protect ourselves' and assume it's a given that we can.

Just concede that while most of us are absolutely fine with restrictions/isolation ending and fully understand why it is, there is no real way to protect ourselves. And don't dismiss genuine concerns as hysterical/dramatic/bed wetting (not saying you're doing that yourself but many are).

@0pheliaBaIIs

Don't know. Honestly it's not my problem and people with more brains and bigger salaries than me need to work it out

Fair enough! All I'm saying is that CEV people don't know either so it's a bit galling when people tell us to 'take steps to protect ourselves' and assume it's a given that we can.

Just concede that while most of us are absolutely fine with restrictions/isolation ending and fully understand why it is, there is no real way to protect ourselves. And don't dismiss genuine concerns as hysterical/dramatic/bed wetting (not saying you're doing that yourself but many are).

That's fine. I never suggested they should have all the answers. What I was clearly replying to was the idea that the majority should be more than happy to sacrifice everything to protect the minority because why should they be the only ones to suffer.

When the reality is that others can't keep making sacrifices for a small group with no benefit to them.

@AskingforaBaskin I agree. As I said upthread people have sacrificed enough already to protect the vulnerable. I totally get that and am so grateful, along with most CEV people I would imagine. Those sacrifices bought time for vaccines and treatments to be developed which have saved the lives of many CEV people.

Isolation of infectious people is of benefit to the vulnerable, but it can't continue forever. It would be ridiculous to imagine otherwise. Hopefully as time goes on treatments and vaccines will be ever more effective and CEV people can return to a pre-covid way of life, too.

That's fine. I never suggested they should have all the answers. What I was clearly replying to was the idea that the majority should be more than happy to sacrifice everything to protect the minority because why should they be the only ones to suffer.

Everything? Hyperbole at its most extreme. Just reasonable precautions. If you are infected isolate yourself isolate to protect others. I don't think that's too much to ask. Wear a mask in crowded places. Very small price to pay to save lives.

When the reality is that others can't keep making sacrifices for a small group with no benefit to them.

Pressed send too quickly.

When the reality is that others can't keep making sacrifices for a small group with no benefit to them.

Yes they can. We do it every day. There is no benefit to me in the care of disabled children, or those confined to mental hospitals but I am happy that they are cared for and happy to pay what it costs.

If you are infected isolate yourself isolate to protect others. I don't think that's too much to ask

It is if you're going to lose ten days' pay. I wouldn't expect anyone to be unable to feed their family to protect me.

@AndAsIfByMagic

That's fine. I never suggested they should have all the answers. What I was clearly replying to was the idea that the majority should be more than happy to sacrifice everything to protect the minority because why should they be the only ones to suffer.

Everything? Hyperbole at its most extreme. Just reasonable precautions. If you are infected isolate yourself isolate to protect others. I don't think that's too much to ask. Wear a mask in crowded places. Very small price to pay to save lives.

When the reality is that others can't keep making sacrifices for a small group with no benefit to them.

Is it Hyperbole. Many have lost their homes, finances and will never recover.

I am happy to wear a mask. Are you happy to pay people their lost income if you want them to unnecessarily isolate?

Just reasonable precautions. If you are infected isolate yourself isolate to protect others. I don't think that's too much to ask.

What you are spectacularly missing yet again Is that people can not afford to keep isolating. It really is as simple as that. Your comments about sick pay are at best laughable and at worst insulting.