All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!

[Cheekypeach]

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I have no antibodies after 4 vaccines and would like pre infection protection like other people get. This is available in other countries (evusheld).PROVENT trial.

Currently we have to catch covid before we get treatment. Many post infection treatments aren't suitable for transplant, liver or Kidney patients, or can't be taken with cancer meds or some immunosuppressants.

I think that would be fair rather than painting people like me as 'anxious'. I also think symptomatic people should isolate as they do with dysentery or similar.

I don't want lockdowns. My student and school age children suffered from them and I lost my job.

Prior to covid I lived normally, worked with public, socialising, fitness classes travel etc. Now it's just walks and meeting people outside, if weather ok.My specialists are very clear about the high risks with my drugs and condition. We have never been warned like this before.

The media coverage is quite gloaty considering we are talking about sick people not having to self isolate any more. I don't find that a great gain for anyone.

I think the gov could put 'fuck the vulnerable' on posters and still get elected, so I understand my view is a minority one.

@TesOignons

I have no antibodies after 4 vaccines and would like pre infection protection like other people get. This is available in other countries (evusheld).PROVENT trial.

Currently we have to catch covid before we get treatment. Many post infection treatments aren't suitable for transplant, liver or Kidney patients, or can't be taken with cancer meds or some immunosuppressants.

I think that would be fair rather than painting people like me as 'anxious'. I also think symptomatic people should isolate as they do with dysentery or similar.

I don't want lockdowns. My student and school age children suffered from them and I lost my job.

Prior to covid I lived normally, worked with public, socialising, fitness classes travel etc. Now it's just walks and meeting people outside, if weather ok.My specialists are very clear about the high risks with my drugs and condition. We have never been warned like this before.

The media coverage is quite gloaty considering we are talking about sick people not having to self isolate any more. I don't find that a great gain for anyone.

I think the gov could put 'fuck the vulnerable' on posters and still get elected, so I understand my view is a minority one.

Don’t you think people have done a lot for the vulnerable over the last two years?

I would just like to mention that not all CEV people are upset by this- there's been a couple already and I'm another one.

I've had 4 jabs, I have access to antivirals. I wasn't safe before covid, wasn't safe under restrictions and frankly never will be. But I neither expect nor want the rest of society to restrict itself because of my vulnerability. That seems selfish to me.

Lol so you can be emotionally theatrical about your poor toddler having to test if has covid symptims but god forbid someone explaining why they hoped that tje government had waited until the CEV children had bèen given the chance to have vaccinations pisses on your celebrations.

You have admitted on here that you dont care about vunerable children dying. Fair enough, gor angry when you thought id said something aimed at your child but was actually explaining why we dont like to be told i dont care if your child dies.

And now when i say i hope your chuld isnt ever ill enough to need anything more than a stick up the nose i get told thats wrong too.

Ok then

@SexyLittleNosferatu

ButtOutBobsMum I agree with you wholeheartedly.

A member of my immediate family has complex severe life-limiting disabilities and more health conditions than I could list. He wasn't expected to live beyond 2 years old. He is vulnerable to the common cold. 4 years ago he spent 17 weeks in hospital after catching a cold, he went onto develop sepsis and nearly died. I can promise you that nobody bar his family gave one single solitary shit about him before covid came along. Now they use people like him to hide behind. As it happens, he caught covid, pre vaccines and was completely fine. We make the choice as a family for him to live his best life and to fill each day with fun and adventure. Not to hide from another illness that may or may not affect him badly.

I cannot abide people using him and "the vulnerable" (as though it is one homogenous mass) to put across their points, and far worse, to wish illnesses on other children as a punishment for having a different take on life.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting this. You have so eloquently made the very point I have been so poorly trying to for months and months.

I’m sure you’re as sick as I am of unknown third parties using loved ones such as your son to virtue signal how ‘unselfish and caring’ they are, for example by wearing their masks. I have absolutely no problem if people wish to continue with face coverings but I just wish they would be honest with themselves - ultimately it’s to protect themselves, not others. The fact that some continue to wear them outside when outdoor transmission is so negligible, tells me a lot too. Did these self righteous people worry about your son before covid? Did they ever think about the fact that whilst they’ve got an annoying cold, the person next to them on the bus might be immuno suppressed? I can guarantee until the pandemic, they never gave it a thought.

I’m fed up with this self awarded badge of honour that a proportion of the population seem to have acquired in the last 2 years. If we had ever been an occupied nation, the pandemic has clearly exposed those that would have happily reported friends and neighbours to the authorities too.

@superwoofing

You have had chance to be vaccinated, CEV Children are only just starting to be vaccinated. Imagine reatrictions all going before youd been vaccinated and seeing celebratory posts saying they dont care about vunerable people dying

I think it's good news though I hope that people will stay home for a few days if they're not well and that employers will support that. As good employees used to encourage people with flu to stay home. And I think it would be good if people voluntarily wear masks when they're under the weather as they do in Japan and other countries in the Far East. Winter flu rates have fallen during covid so simple voluntary public health measures seem like a good idea.

I hope too we can stop with all the judging and criticism and the 'are you trying to kill people' crap. I have vulnerable people in my family and the isolation of them has been terrible.

People have heard the 'just another few weeks' line so many times at this stage. They can be forgiven for thinking there will never be an end to that.

I do think this is incredibly difficult and the government have played a role in ramping up fear so that many have over estimated their or their loved ones risk. That's not to say there aren't people still at significant risk and I'm sure it's hard, in some circumstances, to distinguish between them.

Equally even current restrictions are extremely disruptive to everyday life and were not sustainable once we were past the point of covid being a public health emergency.

Exactly Marsha. So they lift the restrictions, come spring, cases surge a little as would be expected - ‘Cases are rising, we need restrictions for a bit longer..’. Cases fade off a bit over the summer, rise a bit as we would expect in autumn ‘We need a circuit breaker else winter will be carnage’… into another winter… here we go again. Enough now.

Those who are most strongly reacting to the withdrawal of restrictions are generally those that have resisted all the relaxations to date, and argued for tighter restrictions than we currently have frequently.

We would never have had 'eat out to help out', would never have opened up in July, or even partially opened up earlier in the spring.

If it was up to them Entertainment would either be closed or operating on claustrophobicly restrictive manner in limited cases, social distancing would be mandated in all sorts of settings, masks would be obligatory in all places including schools for all ages, and any hints at infection rises would lead to "rule of six" rules and the such like, with no hope of any respite.

WinterGold

People have heard the 'just another few weeks' line so many times at this stage. They can be forgiven for thinking there will never be an end to that

Exactly, and there wouldn’t be. Let’s say we wait til all kids are vaccinated. Then it’s another few weeks to make sure the immunity has kicked in. Then another few weeks as ‘cases are rising due to opening up’… well no shit then it’s ‘another few weeks to break the circuit before winter’… then it’s ‘another few weeks because we have a new variant’. Honestly it’s relentless.

I can just hear the 'but the under 5s aren't vaxxed' from here.

I seem to remember another 50,000+ deaths occurring after Eat Out to Help Out.

Still, cheap food, eh?

You'd think we were still in lockdown the way people on this thread are going on about "just a few more weeks" as if they can't possibly bear another few weeks of wearing masks in Sainsbury's.

@Rosehugger

You'd think we were still in lockdown the way people on this thread are going on about "just a few more weeks" as if they can't possibly bear another few weeks of wearing masks in Sainsbury's.

You can keep going if you want.

It’s not even mandatory now to wear them in Sainsbury’s so you’ll get people deciding not to anyway.

@Rosehugger

You'd think we were still in lockdown the way people on this thread are going on about "just a few more weeks" as if they can't possibly bear another few weeks of wearing masks in Sainsbury's.

Will it be a few more weeks though? Of course it bloody won’t.

What exactly are people finding so hard about carrying on as we are now until the spring?

@TheKeatingFive

I can just hear the 'but the under 5s aren't vaxxed' from here.

Oh I know, Soon it'll be 'vaccination stations to be set up in maternity wards, jab 'em as they emerge!'

@Rosehugger

I seem to remember another 50,000+ deaths occurring after Eat Out to Help Out.

Still, cheap food, eh?

No. Jobs, livelihoods, businesses and therefore roofs over people’s heads. Hard to understand unless you work in a service job.

@Rosehugger

I seem to remember another 50,000+ deaths occurring after Eat Out to Help Out.

Still, cheap food, eh?

And I remember 40,000 deaths in Spring 2020 in the U.K. from Covid after Harry and Meghan stepped back from royal duties in January... Why aren't they being held accountable for mass murder?

Of course, that's preposterous, but so is claiming "Eat Out to Help Out" was responsible for 50,000 deaths! You're making my point for me by implying that the leisure sector should have remained closed throughout 2020... If you had your way it presumably still would be closed and we'd have been permanently welded into our homes!

I'm sure you know so much about service jobs @Cheekypeach Was there an article about them in BorisShill Weekly?

Of course, that's preposterous, but so is claiming "Eat Out to Help Out" was responsible for 50,000 deaths! You're making my point for me by implying that the leisure sector should have remained closed throughout 2020... If you had your way it presumably still would be closed and we'd have been permanently welded into our homes!

Ah, Complete Bollocks Hyperbole now, is that page three of the BorisShill textbook?

If it was up to them Entertainment would either be closed or operating on claustrophobicly restrictive manner in limited cases, social distancing would be mandated in all sorts of settings, masks would be obligatory in all places including schools for all ages, and any hints at infection rises would lead to "rule of six" rules and the such like, with no hope of any respite.

Yep. I remember one poster adamant nightclubs would never open again and the industry should accept it like the mining one did..

In fact a few sectors consigned to the dustbin of society forever just in case.

@Rosehugger

What exactly are people finding so hard about carrying on as we are now until the spring?

Because they know the likes of you aren't serious about "a few more weeks".... It's just as much as you think you can possibly persuade people to do at the moment.

You've as good as admitted you wanted all hospitality closed through 2020 in your previous post, so the chances of you being on board with removing isolation in March are zero.

@Rosehugger

What exactly are people finding so hard about carrying on as we are now until the spring?

We’ll we kind of are actually. Covid rules to be axed at the end of February. March is spring, therefore we are waiting until the end of winter and doing this in spring.