Selfish or just the point in the pandemic we are at!!

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I know isolation will be a thing of the past soon - hopefully. But I hope common sense will prevail and if people are ill they stay at home for a few days or if not possible social distance, avoid busy crowded places etc.

Anyway, Dp is a manager at his work but he has no say on covid isolations or sick periods etc etc, that's higher up.

Someone on his shift tested positive mid last week after their symptoms started that day.

They still went to a large scale event on Saturday as they had paid for it and didn't want to miss out or lose money. Faked a negative lft, took a friend, friend now has covid too! I'm talking event with a fair few hundred people, maybe more! They still had symptoms too.

Also, it's been 5 days now, just about. They haven't bothered doing an lft, just come back to work with some symptoms.

Dp is worried that him coming back will mean more staff catching time and dropping like flies. They are already short staffed!

I expect his work place have encouraged him to come in as they don't line staff being off. But will have a bigger problem if they all catch it!!

I know isolation will end soon, but it hasn't.. yet!!

Not sure what this point of this post is. I just hope Dp doesn't catch it, he's had it a while ago and mild, not worried about the illness. More so everything else - the isolation, loss of earnings etc!

@Blubells

Wow, what a selfish prick. I wonder how many people he infected

Unfortunately we're going to have to accept that we're all going to get infected. Get vaccinated and be as healthy as you can.

I'd also avoid going to huge events if I was vulnerable.

But now is not the time. Its not changed. By law, you are required to isolate.

Well I went to a hen party on Saturday and most have tested positive since. I feel like crap today but did a LFT and was negative. Call me selfish but unless I wake up really ill tomorrow I am not retesting and will be going to the theatre tomorrow night.

Well isolation is ending in 6 weeks? We might aswell just stop with the testing majority of people are showing as a mild cold…it’s time to move on.

@Xds1453 'majority of people are showing as a mild cold'.

I've heard lots say this - does anyone have a link to any data to support this? I've also heard lots say it was much worse than a cold. Does anyone know roughly what percentage of people it is no worse than an average cold for?

@TheApexOfMyLife

I'd also avoid going to huge events if I was vulnerable.

Lol you have clue have you?
CEV dont just avoid huge events. They avoid supermarkets, pubs and restaurants. They avoid seeing friends and family in enclosed spaces.
They try and balance their dc going to school vs them taking the risk of dying if dc brings covid back home.
They basically live like recluse.
Some parents have gone as far as not restricting hugging their own children because of that.

You really have no clue on how contagious omicron is nor the impact it has on those families.

The thing is, because it is so contagious, there is really nothing any of us can do about that. People who are higher risk have to decide how they are going to manage. They will be exposed in every place where people gather, just like other highly contagious respiratory viruses. People isolating for 10 or 5 days isn't going to make a difference to that calculation.

In a way it's disingenuous to those making such calculations that they are being made safer when they aren't.

You really have no clue on how contagious omicron is nor the impact it has on those families.

All the more reason to stop delaying its spread by isolations to allow omicron to blow itself out so cases then fall be low enough for the CEV to relax a little (befoee immunity wanes or another variant emerges).

The more it circulates, the more variants, the longer it goes on.

@FrankieBoyleSezLoveOneAnother

The more it circulates, the more variants, the longer it goes on.

Covid and is descendent variants will very likely continue forever, constantly mutating and evolving. It won't get tired and give up because we've all been very good and isolated when we've got it and, with Omicron in particular, current measures won't be nearly enough to stop it, even extreme measures won't be.

So we can play a constant battle of attrition against it where all we do is flatten the curve and extend one wave into the next, like we did with Delta and Omicron, and constantly have high rates, or we can let the virus follow a natural trajectory and rise and fall rapidly as we did with all viruses pre-2020 (almost.... we didn't with Ebola!)

For instance, if you look at the Spanish flu infection and death patterns for the U.K. you'll see 3 very distinct, and relatively short-lived waves lasting 6-8 weeks or so, with low numbers between. In those days, there was little choice but to let it rip through.

If you look at South Africa - a country where restrictions haven't been enough to prevent spread, you see four very clear waves with low infections numbers in the lulls in between.

Smoothing out one variant curve into the next seems to be the worst of all worlds for the CEV... High levels of infection have been present in the U.K. for so long (since last June) that we've come to think that's just how it is, but that's not the case.

Covid and is descendent variants will very likely continue forever, constantly mutating and evolving. It won't get tired and give up because we've all been very good and isolated when we've got it and, with Omicron in particular, current measures won't be nearly enough to stop it, even extreme measures won't be.

Unpalatable but true.

I should think a lot of people are doing this. I recently had covid and 20yo Dd who lives in the same house refused to test as she was going to a big event a few days later which she’d paid for.

My DD and I have/just had it.

It’s not quite a cold - it’s just weird. In my case, incredibly weird dreams, tiredness - but no real discernible symptoms.

I think, while the guidelines are in place - there are people who simply cannot do very important jobs if they catch it due to isolation.

Children cannot attend school and miss out on education if they catch it.

So going to the theatre because you don’t want to test is pretty err…the word beginning with s.

Although a poster here earlier was speaking about being a single mum and the impact it has - I’d have sympathy there.

We havent been testing.
For us i see it as
The gov has messed up so much
My dc in particular have had 50% of 1 year of school missed then 8w of the other. Then various weeks due to contact isolation. As not KW.
But we havent been socialising. The kids clubs have onky been with other kids at school. If we catch covid its come from school.
In particular kids catching it at soft play parties that we havent been going to.

However im angry because i wanted to vaccinate my kids.

I think the main concern is the people who do get it badly enough to not be in school or work. How will that work if they get it every 5w...
Or kids getting d&v with it or temperatures.
Several of the upper primary kids have been sent home as unwell rather than suspected covid.

The more it circulates, the more variants, the longer it goes on.

As others have already said, covid will remain in circulation for the foreseeable future, probably forever.

We are going to have to accept this. We are going to build up immunity in society through infection and vaccination.

By trying to reduce and elongate each wave we're simply reducing the pressure on the nhs. But we're not stopping the virus! We're just lengthening the time it takes to spread through society.

If workplaces won't pay you.....or you can't afford another sick period off work, then people will just go in

It's time

Not selfish at all, can't go on like this forever.

You really have no clue on how contagious omicron is nor the impact it has on those families.

And because it's so very contagious there's no point forcing people to isolate for a few days - they're often contagious before testing positive anyway and many aren't complying as they need to work/study.

@Blubells

The more it circulates, the more variants, the longer it goes on.

As others have already said, covid will remain in circulation for the foreseeable future, probably forever.

We are going to have to accept this. We are going to build up immunity in society through infection and vaccination.

By trying to reduce and elongate each wave we're simply reducing the pressure on the nhs. But we're not stopping the virus! We're just lengthening the time it takes to spread through society.

It is spreading through society multiple times though, dd1 currently at home with it for second time, four months after first time.

@DiamondsAndLace

Well I went to a hen party on Saturday and most have tested positive since. I feel like crap today but did a LFT and was negative. Call me selfish but unless I wake up really ill tomorrow I am not retesting and will be going to the theatre tomorrow night.

Would you feel anything if you passed covid on to a vulnerable person/relative of or a heavily pregnant woman?.

It is spreading through society multiple times though, dd1 currently at home with it for second time, four months after first time.

That was probably a different variant - delta four months ago and now omicron.

Would you feel anything if you passed covid on to a vulnerable person/relative of or a heavily pregnant woman?.

We should be analytical about it, as I think you’re suggesting to be.

But don’t forget to include the opposite calculation.

Which is that, even despite her testing, and passing up the party (assuming it’s positive), it’s very unlikely to “save” that vulnerable person/relative or pregnant woman.

They are almost certain to catch it anyway at this stage.

If they really want to make a difference to their chances, then they should really take steps to protect themselves rather than prevailing on the kindness of a lot of ransoms.

I think the main concern is the people who do get it badly enough to not be in school or work. How will that work if they get it every 5w...

If we're all going to get Covid every 5 weeks, that's going to be a big issue.... But whereas some people have done recently (Delta then Omicron) it's relatively few and would require the U.K. to consistently be having 2 million new cases every day! We're currently at 72,000 (weekly average) per day... and even if that's under-reported by a significant degree, it's way off the 2 million needed for a population-wide 5 week reinfection period!

@puppetere

Would you feel anything if you passed covid on to a vulnerable person/relative of or a heavily pregnant woman?.

We should be analytical about it, as I think you’re suggesting to be.

But don’t forget to include the opposite calculation.

Which is that, even despite her testing, and passing up the party (assuming it’s positive), it’s very unlikely to “save” that vulnerable person/relative or pregnant woman.

They are almost certain to catch it anyway at this stage.

If they really want to make a difference to their chances, then they should really take steps to protect themselves rather than prevailing on the kindness of a lot of ransoms.

How would you ever know it was you anyway? Enough of the guilt and the hand wringing. It's here and that's that.

*They are almost certain to catch it anyway at this stage.

If they really want to make a difference to their chances, then they should really take steps to protect themselves rather than prevailing on the kindness of a lot of ransoms.*

This

Yeah, especially in the context of Omicron how on earth would most people even know? It's everywhere.

@TheApexOfMyLife

But most people who catch don't 'drop like flies' after catching covid, especially if vaccinated!

You haven’t been in a school have you?

Wow, only took 3 posts to mention schools