Vaccinating healthy 11 year old

[Hocuspocusandfairies]

Can I please ask you all whether you'd get your healthy 11 year old vaccinated as my son has come home with a letter and I've no idea what to do.

And apparently I’m not done.. How on earth can you read that a child was left with organ damage (it was his heart- and pretty fucking frightening for him too) and that’s just unlucky and doesn’t happen, then give the example of your mum with heart damage and say that’s more important and more worrying?

That’s ghoulish for a start. And also, while the cause is different, it’s exactly the same. 2 people left with organ damage but only one matters to you because of some weird ideology.

I suppose we don’t know the likelihood of higher severity for subsequent infection for this age group?

Not sure where you’d look

@bewareTheLibrarians they absolutely were unlucky, both my mum and her friend, statistically speaking the chances of those things happening are vv low. Incredibly sad for her friend, she was in her early 50s with 2 teen children, sad and unlucky. Your son is also very unlucky, that's not me being mean, he was. The chances of that happening to a child are still low, as is myocarditis and blood clots from the vaccine. I'm not telling adults not to have the jab, the risk/benefits sway in favour of benefits, for children it doesn't. I'm sorry anyone has had organ damage whether from covid or the vaccine, one doesn't trump the other.

100% not. Neither my 14 nor 12 year olds have had it and my others won't be getting it either. They've had all of their other childhood vaccines but they won't be having this one. Two of them have had covid.

No, I wouldn't vaccinate them with these vaccines just to travel. I'm not comfortable with the government going against the JCVI's advice regarding children being vaccinated. I also have yet to read any peer-reviewed studies showing the vaccines to be safe in children long-term, particularly with regards to fertility. I'm uncomfortable with the risk of side effects vs the benefits to my children given their ages/ health.

Most of my children's friends have had at least one dose.

@NoResolutionsHere Thanks for the clarification but the “none, 0” was incredibly dismissive. So what? Unless you know every child in the UK/world that’s meaningless. It’s just done to diminish, and why anyone would want to downplay awareness of potential illness in children is beyond me.

Also, even the JCVI didn’t say the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits. That’s some anti vaccine propaganda at work there. Actual quote;

“Overall, the committee is of the opinion that the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms.”

www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021

@BewareTheLibrarians as has been said to you on many many threads, your child is in the vast minority. Sad as it is for them that they are poorly, this is a virus which IS extremely mild for the overwhelming majority.

[quote BewareTheLibrarians]@NoResolutionsHere Thanks for the clarification but the “none, 0” was incredibly dismissive. So what? Unless you know every child in the UK/world that’s meaningless. It’s just done to diminish, and why anyone would want to downplay awareness of potential illness in children is beyond me.

Also, even the JCVI didn’t say the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits. That’s some anti vaccine propaganda at work there. Actual quote;

“Overall, the committee is of the opinion that the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms.”

www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021[/quote]
Yeah, you’ve conveniently missed out the next part which states those benefits are so marginal that they can’t recommend the vaccine for medical benefits.
And that was the assessment with delta. Not omicron.

@Silverswirl And the bit I missed out doesn’t change the meaning of the part I quoted though. Hence quoting it.

And as I keep trying to say on many many threads, and why I have to keep saying it, is that people do not seem to understand that your child being fine and healthy with no underlying conditions does not mean there’s no risk to your child from covid. It’s repeated so often on here that you’d think it’s true, meaning that parents are making the decision without the full facts. Or are we not allowed to have balance?

Perhaps if so many people stopped dismissing any risk to children, I wouldn’t have to make so many posts. Win win!!

And just a gentle reminder that “the JCVI does not recommend the vaccine” was the media headline, not the words from the actual report, which just said the balance was “too small to support advice” and passed the decision on to the chief medical officers. The JCVI then went on to recommend a second dose for 12-15 year olds, after a further analysis of myocarditis and pericarditis was not as “serious” as they initially thought.

(I’ve said “serious” as obviously any side effect from a vaccine is serious - but the numbers didn’t support their original concern.)

Yes, we did (not in UK).

There's risks with everything but as it's very hard to avoid getting covid at some stage, I'd rather we get it when vaccinated. The next strain might not be as mild.

Only because we want to go abroad.

[quote BewareTheLibrarians]@Silverswirl And the bit I missed out doesn’t change the meaning of the part I quoted though. Hence quoting it.

And as I keep trying to say on many many threads, and why I have to keep saying it, is that people do not seem to understand that your child being fine and healthy with no underlying conditions does not mean there’s no risk to your child from covid. It’s repeated so often on here that you’d think it’s true, meaning that parents are making the decision without the full facts. Or are we not allowed to have balance?

Perhaps if so many people stopped dismissing any risk to children, I wouldn’t have to make so many posts. Win win!![/quote]
And the reason they are dismissing it is because it’s a fact that a minuscule percentage of the child population has been hospitalised or died thankfully of covid during the past 2 years.
Devastating for those that have but honestly the numbers are tiny.
Yes you are allowed to have a balance. But the scales tip massively towards children not becoming anywhere near as ill as your child has been thankfully.
If the balance was even slightly more the other way, the country and the whole world would look very very different.

@Snoopsnoggysnog

So no one on this thread planning to take their DC abroad this year then

The holiday destination we would be going to have 6-11's vaccinated and are considering 2-5. They'll always be one step ahead with the requirements (if they aren't dropped). You can still go anyway, just have to test for now. Travel isn't a good reason for me

I’d consider it my eldest DC is 10. No real underlying anymore although did need some breathing support when born. Has had omicron came out of isolation this week. And they’re very tired still getting headaches and feeling poorly. It was mild for them no chest issues but it’s scary to see a very active child feeling so unwell.

@RG2468

I’d consider it my eldest DC is 10. No real underlying anymore although did need some breathing support when born. Has had omicron came out of isolation this week. And they’re very tired still getting headaches and feeling poorly. It was mild for them no chest issues but it’s scary to see a very active child feeling so unwell.

I was a bit concerned at the beginning of the outbreak of DD8 would have problems with covid. She had whooping cough as a baby that left her prone to respiratory infections for years after although I'd better now albeit coughs often in the mornings through the winter. We picked up her covid through a lft as her sister had asymptomatically tested positive on a routine test. Never had a single symptom, was bouncing off the walls the entire isolation and bizarrely didn't even have her usual morning cough which has just started to return now 2 months later. . Seems ridiculous to me to vaccinate against such a mild illness

We don't live in the UK, but my 11 and 8 year olds with no underlying conditions are both double jabbed. While I agree that the chance of kids that age becoming seriously ill with covid is very low, unlike adults 80% of kids who end up in ICU have no underlying conditions. There's a very low chance of them becoming seriously ill, but that's cold comfort if you or your kids happen to be in that unlucky minority.

@Tdcp my 20 year old DD and a few of her friends had the same problem with periods. It is a worry. She’s not had the second vaccine.

My DD made her own decision on the vaccine, and is currently waiting for her 2nd. If she would have been on the fence I'd have done a lot more reading and thinking into it, but she's got her own mind and I supported her decision to have it.

@Coyoacan not true. My 10yo was incredibly poorly and required hospital treatment. No underlying issues. Yes she recovered but still has headaches which she never had before.

There is no good reason - not a single one - to vaccinate an otherwise healthy child.

@eejervis

Yes, my healthy almost 11yo will be vaccinated as soon as she turns 12 if it doesn't become available before.

I trust vaccines, which is why she has the flu one each year and why we had her vaccinated against chickenpox when she was little.

Why would you want a child to be ill? Even mild illnesses are disruptive in terms of time off school, parent needing time off work, having to avoid vulnerable relatives etc. DD caught covid before Xmas and she was fine within 48 hours but it mucked up our Xmas plans not to mention worrying that CV DH would catch it.

DH does have it now and we suspect hers was delta and his omicron, so there's the worry that she will be reinfected and have to miss school. I really wish we'd had the opportunity to get her jabbed already.

But the thing is, it likely won't stop them getting it and therefore will still need time off etc..

It's totally hit our DC's school in the past couple of weeks and in the majority of cases, has also gone through every single family member, the adults of which I know to be triple vaccinated.

The govt has changed their message to say that it just reduces the severity of the disease and what's the point when it's mild in the majority of children anyway? My DD tested positive on Monday evening, was a bit peaky on Tuesday, slight headache and maybe a temperature for an hour or so.. I probably would have kept her off school on Tuesday but she was right as rain on the Wednesday and definitely could have gone back then were it not for the rules...

I'm triple vaccinated and tested positive on Thursday...

The only reason it disrupts plans is because of the isolation rules, not because they catch Covid, which they likely would regardless of being vaccinated!

@Pixies74

The only reason it disrupts plans is because of the isolation rules, not because they catch Covid, which they likely would regardless of being vaccinated!

Yep vaccinated dc still got it here

Oth younger not yet vaccinated had Covid without symptoms

It’s a no way from me!