If you are a HCP what do you think about the vaccine rules coming in?

[CitrusPocket]

Does it bother you that colleagues are unvaccinated? Or is it more worrying about the potential staff shortages?

www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/rcog-concerned-that-mandatory-vaccination-will-impact-safe-delivery-of-maternity-services/

We need HCP to be good at looing at clinical data and deciding which is the best course of action for their patients - depending on the available data; a clinician deciding not to do that is not a good one and maybe needs a different career.

What about clinicians who smoke? Have unprotected sex? Are morbidly obese? Cleary they're not making good decisions about their own personal health for their own personal reasons, but I'd still trust them to take my blood / replace my knee / save my life.

Staff shortages done worry me...my community team of around 50 clinical staff are all now fully vaxxed..... I have many nurse friends and acquaintances....they have all indicated that they are tripke jabbed .....I don't think it will be as bigger deal as the media are portraying it....I think mostly clinical staff will end up getting vaccination as they have families to feed and bills to pay.

@Greenlight4

It's frustrating that I'm supposed to be considering adapting roles not to client face when I have staff with medical issues who would benefit from working at home, and staff who have requested an increase In work from home that have been denied, but am supposed to be finding them for Jane who thinks that there's 5g in the vaccine

It's unfair that people refusing the vaccine are being moved to work from home roles that aren't available to people who are vaccinated

My community trust have said any redeployment will be at band 2 or 3 ( a few administrative jobs) ....so a big drop in pay.

Hospital manager here - unvaccinated for a potentional life threatening complication that we don't have enough data for to see if its safe for me to have it. But again, there's not enough data to say its unsafe, so im expected to take a big risk that could result in a catastrophic brain bleed.

This issue has totally sidetracked my day. Staff concerned. Me in tears to my union. Im worried I won't have an income shortly. Its the only vaccine I've never had and Im willing to have it when I know its safe.

I've worked so hard throughout covid19. Ive had covid19. We as NHS staff have trained for years and work so hard.

Im actually not socialising etc as much and being careful to try not to catch the variants. We are not antivax we are cautious and worried

And yes we are jabbed for all other conditions as required but they are well established vaccines with lots of safety data to support them. We don't know all the risks involved for this one and the severity of each complication with it still being so new. Im so pleased people who really need to protect themselves are vaccinated. But for me I cant risk a potential catastrophic reaction

I share your frustration about the idiot staff who are refusing. But please don't refer to us all as "Janes" who think there's 5G in the vaccine. Some of us have serious personal concerns and that portrayal of us is not helping. We need your understanding if not your support.

Unless we're going to continue with distancing when masks are eventually dropped then I only want to work alongside vaccinated colleagues. The culture of presenteeism means people would come to work and spread it if we moved to a point of recording it as an absence like any other.

Vaccinated people are spreading it just as much as vax-free people so as educated scientific people who question things it makes no sense to insist on the vaccine (which doesn't work on omicron)

@LadyLolaRuben

I'm assuming that was aimed at my comment. Appreciate that's not everyone but it's the situation I'm in

In my large team 99% are vaccinated so we have one medical exemption ( which is completely understandable) and one person declining.

This week I've had frustrating conversations where a long term staff member who would benefit from working from home sue to significant health issues, can't be offered working from home permanently because we are under pressure to be running service with high levels of f2f contact..

However I'm expected to try and find a virtual role for a member of my team who genuinely called me a sheep and told me I'm being controlled by Bill Gates in out 1:1. There's plenty of these people (look at the nhs 100k page)

It's frustrating for me that people who aren't vaccinated are expecting to be created roles that aren't available to others who are. I couldn't move any other staff like that despite it being better for them, or advertise a post like that.

It actually might disadvantage the vaxxed people in my team who can't apply for such a role, especially as the feeling is my team will be accepting people from other teams in virtual positions which will still come out of my budget and mean I won't be able to fund f2f clinicians.

Obviously there's a whole host of reasons why people aren't vaccinated, and mine is lead by the frustration of the situation in my team and local teams. Other ghan thd exempt member, Ultimately I will be asking my staff to be redeployed else where, but will fight against people being redeployed into my team and sadly that might mean they lose jobs or go into lower bands

Those oh so "dangerous unvaccinated" HCPs who are treating people now were adequate enough during the early days of the pandemic with shit PPE, no vaccine, and no real knowledge about the virus or how to treat it.
Clap em, and sack em.

Except that now there IS a vaccine and there IS real knowledge. And a small minority bunch of HCPs who ignore the healthcare advantages of both and embrace their mad, alternate reality conspiracyverse instead.

They have disqualified themselves from being employed as HCPs and shouldn't even wait to be sacked but have the decency to leave.

@Greenlight4 interesting that your Trust is finding other roles for unvaccinated staff. At my Trust people are out of the door; no redeployment, nothing. Just out the door, sacked. They have until 3 February to have their first. If not, goodbye.

I personally, do not agree with mandatory vaccination. But running down an already short staffed NHS to bring in privatisation is right up the shower of shites government alley.

But doesn't the efficacy of the vaccine wane over time until it's pretty much useless?

But despite knowing this, there's no plan to do a 4th booster, so soon won't everyone be completely unprotected anyway?

To me it’s normal. It’s a requirement of my workplace that I’m vaccinated against a range of things (I work in ICU). I can still choose not to be vaccinated, but I can’t work in ICU.

I’ve had vaccine requirements for the 15 years I’ve been working. People who can’t have vaccines for medical reasons can’t work in ICU. There are not many of them, just as in a hospital of thousands of staff there’s nobody, not one person, who can’t wear a mask. I assume people with conditions that mean they can’t be vaccinated or can’t wear masks choose different jobs.

Working in ICU of course nobody was hesitant anyway - we were all there with sleeves rolled up and we have all vaccinated our children as soon as it was approved.

XenoBitch

Wandda
There are a number of vaccinations that are already mandatory for anyone working in healthcare so I’m not sure I understand the problem with have the Covid vaccination

They were known prior to people applying to those jobs. And none were mandated by law.

Can someone please direct me to a source for these claims? Which vaccines are already mandatory, does it apply to all staff, is it by law or not? Thanks

(For the record I’m pro-vax but anti mandate. )

@jetadore when I started work i needed to provide evidence that I had received a hepatitis and MMR vaccine and also proof i had chicken pox antibodies. My trust also push for the flu vaccine yearly but that isn't mandatory.

Here is a link that has more information

https://occupationalhealthportsmouth.nhs.uk/occupational-vaccinations/]

Sorry link doesn't work

@WhenTheDragonsCame

Thanks for info, I managed to view the link. Do the vaccines required depend on the job your doing? Or is it blanket for all patient facing staff? And it’s your trust policy, rather than a national legal requirement?

I'm not entirely sure if everyone needs the vaccines but I did to work as an HCA and the AHP role I do now so I would guess you they all do.

I have worked for 2 trusts since qualifying and both required proof of vaccination status.

I think hepatitis, MMR and chicken pox immunity is mandatory for all patient facing roles. I also worked as a support worker with a private company and needed proof for that as well.

When I started university getting vaccinated was one of the first things we needed to do and they had sessions built into our timetable for them.

I was never asked for proof of my vaccination status when I started work for the NHS 15 years ago! I doubt I could find any proof, tbh!

I'm pro vax but anti mandate. I think this mandate is a stunt that with send the NHS ever closer to the edge of collapse then privatisation.

Be careful what you wish for.

You can opt out of the other vaccines but it's caveated with needing blood tests periodically etc (I've had them but it's not mandatory as in you'll lose your job). If we were adequately staffed I'd still be uncomfortable uncomfortable with the mandate as although I've happily had my 3 doses, I believe in body autonomy but anyway...as we are already almost dangerously understaffed personally I think it's a disaster.

@FflosFfantastig

When isolation is scrapped they will technically be able to work whilst positive. Not that many would actually do that I'm sure, but technically, won't be against the law. We need to get all this worrying into perspective.

There's every possibly people may be being treated by someone with actual Covid. Yet everyone is worrying more about unvaccinated HCP's.

I am not saying that compulsory isolation shouldn't end. I believe it should actually. But let's get things into perspective when we think about risk...

Exactly this

@Greenlight4

It's frustrating that I'm supposed to be considering adapting roles not to client face when I have staff with medical issues who would benefit from working at home, and staff who have requested an increase In work from home that have been denied, but am supposed to be finding them for Jane who thinks that there's 5g in the vaccine

It's unfair that people refusing the vaccine are being moved to work from home roles that aren't available to people who are vaccinated

Do you actually know a Jane who thinks there's 5G in the vaccine or are you one of those die hard vaxxers who tarnish every vaccine hesitant person with the same brush?

@Whyisitsodifficult

The whole thing is insane! Are we going to start asking the patients who come in if they’re vaccinated? If they’re not then throw them out? I read the Consultant who challenged Sajid is going to take it to court. Good for him but it shouldn’t have to come to that.

I agree. But initially I thought... wow he must be rich by taking Savjid (?) to court.

Sajivid and the likes can afford private healthcare, so it does not matter to them either way, but it's us "poor people" that have to rely on public health sectors, who some staff have been slashed due to mandates, waiting lists are taking more than three years, that we suffer.