Government not following their own restrictions

[babymama471]

With the constant drip feeds of parties taking place at number 10 during the lockdown it is making me question of the tories were not as concerned by covid as they have led us to believe

I'm not trying to spread conspiracy theories but I can't quite get my head around it. They made the rules to lock us down, to stop our children from going to school, supposedly to save lives. So why did they all not give a second thought about mixing and partying? Were they not concerned about themselves/ their families?? Did they know something we don't??

They seem to have had a sense of security about the whole situation, partying without a seconds thought! Whereas we were crossing the road from our loved ones on our daily walk incase we were to infect them/ become infected.

It just doesn't make sense.

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It just doesn't make any sense.

Like many of his peers I really think that Boris is just of the opinion that he is too important/special for the rules to apply to him.

@AlternativePerspective

Frankly given that there are more serious issues in the world right now such as, oh, I don’t know, the situation in Ukraine, I’m sick to the back teeth of the media harping on about bloody parties.

I’ve gone from thinking that it was outrageous to thinking who bloody cares. Perhaps the media should start focusing on real issues now?

And this is how he / they get away with things time and time again. Just let it drag on for long enough and the people will forget about it and move onto something else.

Also think he wasn't that bothered about no intensive care space. Of course there would be one for him.
People making decisions about who to prioritise the ITU beds for (likelihood of pulling through, weight, age etc) were not going to do that for the prime minister, he was getting one whatever happened

@AlternativePerspective

Frankly given that there are more serious issues in the world right now such as, oh, I don’t know, the situation in Ukraine, I’m sick to the back teeth of the media harping on about bloody parties.

I’ve gone from thinking that it was outrageous to thinking who bloody cares. Perhaps the media should start focusing on real issues now?

People can be upset about more than one thing the Prime Minister appeared on tv telling millions of people to behave in a way he was not willing to. It’s not just about the fact h

^^pressed too soon! It’s not just the fact he seems to have broken the rules, people missed out on time with loved ones they had to say goodbye to over an iPad to keep everyone safe. It’s just unthinkable

@AlternativePerspective

Frankly given that there are more serious issues in the world right now such as, oh, I don’t know, the situation in Ukraine, I’m sick to the back teeth of the media harping on about bloody parties.

I’ve gone from thinking that it was outrageous to thinking who bloody cares. Perhaps the media should start focusing on real issues now?

Do you not think there’s a danger that Boris and co will happily escalate the situation with Russia to take the media attention away from Partygate? Because I certainly do. He’s reprehensible and will stop at nothing to save his own skin.

Operation save big dog is in full swing. That’s why easing of restrictions is being announced left right and centre. It’s why Patel was making stupid announcements about putting all asylum seekers in Ghana (and Ghana said wtf). Anything which makes the govt look good and takes the pressure off Boris.

This is why it matters. It’s not just about his actions. It’s the demonstration of his poor judgement which makes him unfit to be leader. It’s the fact he will let this situation affect his decisions on unrelated matters for positive media spin. It really does matter.

Plus the fact he lies and lies and lies! Not just to us but to Parliament.

Because he thinks he’s above the rules , as long as the majority of the public are following the rules it’s ok that him and his cronies don’t for the odd party. No conspiracy at all it’s just that he’s a arrogant arse. He follows the rules unless he wants to socialise simple as that .

@truthfullylying yes that’s my whole point - they knew that they weren’t generally at risk from covid (Boris aside, obviously) so their partying etc didn’t impact the NHS in anyway. It’s the hypocrisy that pisses me off - trying to scare people who didn’t need to be scared, while trying carried on doing what they wanted (because they weren’t scared of the virus, because they didn’t need to be, much like most people who aren’t vulnerable, but trying to hype it up to scare EVERYONE)

They were never that bothered by the virus or people dying, all that mattered was that the NHS didn’t get overrun. Whitty was quite happy to encourage hospitals to shove elderly people into care homes spreading the virus and killing thousands.

They weren’t bothered about the terrible impact the lockdown restrictions had on many people, because they weren’t affected.

They weren’t stuck in a cramped flat, they weren’t lonely, they weren’t worried about losing their job etc. They just took the piss, same as it ever was.

Entitlement.

All of the political parties seem to have broken the rules! Gatherings / parties / drinks in offices etc.

Tbh half the people moaning online seem to have broken the rules too - I know of someone moaning he couldn't be with his mum when she died (he was bloody there too so it's just a lie) who'd been hosting weekly parties throughout.

It's just ridiculous now the hypocrisy from both the general public and all political parties - I'm not sure what the end result will be!

[quote Toadsinholes]@truthfullylying yes that’s my whole point - they knew that they weren’t generally at risk from covid (Boris aside, obviously) so their partying etc didn’t impact the NHS in anyway. It’s the hypocrisy that pisses me off - trying to scare people who didn’t need to be scared, while trying carried on doing what they wanted (because they weren’t scared of the virus, because they didn’t need to be, much like most people who aren’t vulnerable, but trying to hype it up to scare EVERYONE)[/quote]
But they should have been concerned for e.g. the vulnerable father of the Downing Street staff member who was not at the parties but had to work with the party-goers.

They did need to be scared anyway, Johnson was seriously ill.

I was never that scared for myself, I was responsible because I understand the risks for others.

Johnson is just a self-centred twat. Most of us are better than him, thankfully.

@babymama471

But how do we know that he actually was in hospital with covid?

Can we trust anything he says? I'm not convinced we can.

He'd have had to have all the medical staff lying for his too. There are a lot of people in a hospital to keep it quiet. I think if he'd lied about having covid it would have been leaked by someone by now.

@AlternativePerspective

Frankly given that there are more serious issues in the world right now such as, oh, I don’t know, the situation in Ukraine, I’m sick to the back teeth of the media harping on about bloody parties.

I’ve gone from thinking that it was outrageous to thinking who bloody cares. Perhaps the media should start focusing on real issues now?

Do you find it hard to think about two things on the same day?

Newspapers would be pretty thin if they were only allowed one story a day.

According to his school reports Johnson couldn’t believe he was required to abide by the same rules as everyone else and seemed genuinely shocked that he did. So I’d say a massive sense of entitlement and a giant ego plus an inability to think critically and make the best decisions under whatever circumstances he is supposed to be dealing with. He’s a bloody nightmare but so are the rest of his party who would likely replace him if he goes.

And yes Ukraine is a huge concern and having Johnson at the helm here makes it even more so.

@Player20868

Makes you wonder what their real motives were (apart from greed and extreme misanthropy, though only towards the peasants, obviously) and what was really going on, doesn't it...

It really doesn't make most sensible people wonder. Think it through, what do the government gain from lockdowns and restrictions? Less money in the economy Higher unemployment Funding furlough Grants for businesses and SE people Travel fucked

It's nonsense.

@gobbledygoook

All of the political parties seem to have broken the rules! Gatherings / parties / drinks in offices etc.

Tbh half the people moaning online seem to have broken the rules too - I know of someone moaning he couldn't be with his mum when she died (he was bloody there too so it's just a lie) who'd been hosting weekly parties throughout.

It's just ridiculous now the hypocrisy from both the general public and all political parties - I'm not sure what the end result will be!

Ah, yes, the "they are all as bad as each other" defence.

No, they weren't all at it, and no, they're not all as bad as de Spaffle and his cronies...

🤣🤣🤣🤣you actually thought they cared. How sweet!

The real problem is that there were some exceptions to the various rules, such as seeing a 'vulnerable' person, which I have put in quotes as it does not define a vulnerable person.
Secondly, there was confusion (Maybe deliberate), between rules and guidance.
Thirdly, different police forces, and employers, differed in their interpretation of the rules.
So, some police forces checked shopping for 'non essential' items.
Allowed out to exercise, but it was Michael Gove, who said one hour a day, but that was not in the rules. Consequently, I was amazed when relatives said they went for a 10 mile walk. (It was within the rules).
Some employers locked kitchens, fridges, kettles, but we're these work rules, or just how some employers interpreted them?
Finally, the rules changed frequently at very little notice!

It's really simple to understand, and some pp's have gone some way to explaining it, i.e. because those breaking the rules knew that there was very little risk to themselves, either because they had already had covid and/or were some combination of young/fit/healthy.

But then many would say (and have here) that they should have been worried about more vulnerable people and would have known it. That would suggest that either every single person involved was either utterly self-centred or a psychopath, and frankly that explanation doesn't wash.

So why would a bunch of highly educated, more or less intelligent people with access to the best and most up to date information ignore the rules they were putting in place? Simple - they knew the rules were about as effective in stopping Covid as a string vest is at containing a fart. So the combination of not feeling at risk themselves, and knowing that the rules didn't actually do anything meant they felt free to do what they liked. Politically stupid, but entirely sensible risk management.

The rules (certainly after the first couple of months) were nothing about stopping covid, and everything about psychology in various ways. Initially needing to persuade the people the government had terrified (somewhat understandably in the early stages) to get back out to work and to spend. It was also to give the impression that they were in control and were doing something (even though there really wasn't much that could be done). And thirdly, to deal with the normal defence of well what about all the other countries doing the same thing, it was arse-covering. It would be a ballsy Government that said we won't do what others are doing, because if that call is wrong, the brown stuff is really hitting the whirling air distribution device.

@camperqueen54

🤣🤣🤣🤣you actually thought they cared. How sweet!

I'm surprised anyone really believed at the beginning of this they cared.

For me, the parties are a big deal BECAUSE of the growing problems with Russia over the Ukraine (among other things).

If that kicks off, we're being led by this bunch of balloons who partied instead of led. Who cared about getting their hands on as much money as possible and sod-all about doing a professional and compassionate job, leading the country. Who's only focus in life is to grab all they an for themsleves and sod the consequences for others.

The parties are symbolic of that.

Hypocrites, liars and thugs and thieves. That's who we will have at the helm if the Ukraine situation gets worse. Bloody worrying, to me.

@DuchessOfDodo

For me, the parties are a big deal BECAUSE of the growing problems with Russia over the Ukraine (among other things).

If that kicks off, we're being led by this bunch of balloons who partied instead of led. Who cared about getting their hands on as much money as possible and sod-all about doing a professional and compassionate job, leading the country. Who's only focus in life is to grab all they an for themsleves and sod the consequences for others.

The parties are symbolic of that.

Hypocrites, liars and thugs and thieves. That's who we will have at the helm if the Ukraine situation gets worse. Bloody worrying, to me.

100% agree.

We need a serious person at the helm, someone who can be bothered to read to the bottom of the page.