Anyone want a perpetual lockdown

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I often see posters accused of wanting continual lockdowns, despite their post not suggesting it. I often assume it's done to deflect or antagonise posters who suggest a health measure(s) to adapt to life post-2019. However, is there anyone who posts on this board that does want perpetual lockdowns?

@MarshaBradyo

Yep!

Tbh as a woman who works in private sector who needs childcare the left and pro lockdown views worry me more, but probably against majority of mn in saying that

I consider myself fairly progressive but was repeatedly horrified by the smug ignorant nonsense coming from various left-leaning people in spring 2020 - 'school is not childcare' they kept saying. Clearly oblivious to the fact that, for low-paid working parents school closures were another clusterfuck because, guess what, they couldn't rely on friends, neighbours or relatives for emergency childcare either, even if they were officially 'essential' workers.

@Wreath21

Ok - so if it’s gone from not just the Tories, but governmentS globally - what on earth are they all up to? Are they conspiring against their citizens? On a mass scale?

I 100% agree that it should have been managed better, and that reflection is vital.

I consider myself fairly progressive but was repeatedly horrified by the smug ignorant nonsense coming from various left-leaning people in spring 2020 - 'school is not childcare' they kept saying. Clearly oblivious to the fact that, for low-paid working parents school closures were another clusterfuck because, guess what, they couldn't rely on friends, neighbours or relatives for emergency childcare either, even if they were officially 'essential' workers

For me it was all part of the same whole, a political class that either didn't know or didn't care about what childcare options and networks in working class communities often look like. The left wing version of that looks like what you describe here, the right wing version looks like the policies the Tories enacted. Being on the left myself, I was much more disappointed in the supposedly progressive ones though. One expects the piss off proles attitude from Tories, at least.

Since we’re talking about the threads from 2020…

The one that stuck with me for being unbelievable sad was the woman who had recently lost her daughter just before Covid. The son in law and grandchildren lived nearby and were struggling - recently bereaved, newly single Dad struggling to wfh and manage home schooling and childcare etc .. and the woman wanted to know if she could help look after her grandchildren and give her son in law some respite. Some of the responses were sympathetic but a lot were the usual “don’t you understand what lockdown means?”.

I really hope that family is happy now.

One of the worst bits, for me, is that I can’t for the life of me remember how I personally reacted reading it for the first time in March 2020. I wouldn’t completely rule out that I wasn’t also in the “no you can’t see your grieving family who need you!” camp. What did it do to us all??

@thewhatsit

Since we’re talking about the threads from 2020…

The one that stuck with me for being unbelievable sad was the woman who had recently lost her daughter just before Covid. The son in law and grandchildren lived nearby and were struggling - recently bereaved, newly single Dad struggling to wfh and manage home schooling and childcare etc .. and the woman wanted to know if she could help look after her grandchildren and give her son in law some respite. Some of the responses were sympathetic but a lot were the usual “don’t you understand what lockdown means?”.

I really hope that family is happy now.

One of the worst bits, for me, is that I can’t for the life of me remember how I personally reacted reading it for the first time in March 2020. I wouldn’t completely rule out that I wasn’t also in the “no you can’t see your grieving family who need you!” camp. What did it do to us all??

I wasn't here then, but I respect your willingness to ask this difficult question of yourself.

@VikingOnTheFridge

I consider myself fairly progressive but was repeatedly horrified by the smug ignorant nonsense coming from various left-leaning people in spring 2020 - 'school is not childcare' they kept saying. Clearly oblivious to the fact that, for low-paid working parents school closures were another clusterfuck because, guess what, they couldn't rely on friends, neighbours or relatives for emergency childcare either, even if they were officially 'essential' workers

For me it was all part of the same whole, a political class that either didn't know or didn't care about what childcare options and networks in working class communities often look like. The left wing version of that looks like what you describe here, the right wing version looks like the policies the Tories enacted. Being on the left myself, I was much more disappointed in the supposedly progressive ones though. One expects the piss off proles attitude from Tories, at least.

Ah, I am quite accustomed to puritanical authoritarianism from those supposedly on the left so it didn't entirely surprise me.

[quote Emergency73]@Wreath21

Ok - so if it’s gone from not just the Tories, but governmentS globally - what on earth are they all up to? Are they conspiring against their citizens? On a mass scale?

I 100% agree that it should have been managed better, and that reflection is vital.[/quote]
I don't believe the New World Order is conspiring with the giant lizards, no. There is a certain amount of 'global' collusion by the ultra-rich that has been going on for decades (to be clear I mean the likes of Rupert Murdock and the Koch brothers, who operate on international levels after all.)
But I think it's more a combination of: a majority of leaders not wanting to be percieved as 'uncaring', and swayed by an international panic into doing SOMETHING no matter what... and the fact that governments are always going to take advantage of an opportunity to award themselves emergency powers - and hold on to them.

@thewhatsit
@VikingOnTheFridge

My reason for supporting lockdown was that my mum had bowel cancer. She was incontinent, and needed care. So I stopped my job to be her carer. I have two children, so supported them both through lockdown. I didn’t have an income. I’m now doing deliveries so I can fit round all their needs. I am the childcare, and I’m the adult care when needed. It annoys me somewhat to hear others moan about the woes of not having school childcare, because I didn’t even have an income or a job, and I was caring for someone who nearly lost their life.
I supported the initial lockdown and I still do.
At that time I saw far more of my Mums local hospital than I wanted - and I could see first hand what they were dealing with. And without the absolutely amazing efforts of the NHS staff there, my mum would no longer be alive.
Life comes first. And lockdown was necessary to save millions of lives globally.
I think exceptions were made in the first lockdown for those in significant distress, so I believe the bereaved family would have been allowed to see each other. I was allowed access to my Mum as her carer.

Ah, I am quite accustomed to puritanical authoritarianism from those supposedly on the left so it didn't entirely surprise me.

The idea of being morally superior really connected with lockdown, doing the right thing and also economic inactivity etc

Then you still have some going on about how great the severe approach in China is, away with human rights.

Leaving aside your belief (because that's all it is) that lockdown as we operated it having saved more lives than not, do you appreciate that not having school childcare led to some other women not having a job or income either? And that this cohort includes women with significant other challenges too?

@MarshaBradyo

Ah, I am quite accustomed to puritanical authoritarianism from those supposedly on the left so it didn't entirely surprise me.

The idea of being morally superior really connected with lockdown, doing the right thing and also economic inactivity etc

Then you still have some going on about how great the severe approach in China is, away with human rights.

I will say that the outright tankie contingent is quite a niche section of even the pro lockdown left. It seems much more common for people in that camp to simply be unwilling to address the reality that if you want to try and contain covid, it's going to have to look much more like what China are doing than masks, half empty bars and the like.

My daughter’s school took key worker children, but also those who were struggling with childcare/single parents.

It’s not ‘just a belief’ - it is what half of humanity were doing around the globe in 2020.

@Emergency73

My daughter’s school took key worker children, but also those who were struggling with childcare/single parents.

It’s not ‘just a belief’ - it is what half of humanity were doing around the globe in 2020.

It is absolutely and without doubt a belief. The fact that other countries were doing similar in 2020, with local variation, is evidence of nothing more than the fact that other countries were doing similar. We don't even know the medium term impacts yet, let alone longer term, and this information is necessary for assessment. Thus, yours is no more than a belief.

Re your daughter's school, I'm glad to hear it, but that was not a universal policy. Women lost jobs and incomes because of schools closing, and still others reduced their hours and income.

I fully wish that during that time that my concern was only child care options.

I was concerned about someone losing blood to the point of anaemia when they used the toilet, cleaning mess of the floor, her pain, waiting for a desperately needed operation while homeschooling two children and having no income.

having no income.

As a matter of interest, how were you paying your rent/mortgage and putting food on the table?

If you don't mind me asking

@Emergency73

I fully wish that during that time that my concern was only child care options.

I was concerned about someone losing blood to the point of anaemia when they used the toilet, cleaning mess of the floor, her pain, waiting for a desperately needed operation while homeschooling two children and having no income.

Listen ladies, if you aren't an unpaid carer for a sick family member, and actually even if you are, don't dare cry about your loss of employment and income due to school closures and your corresponding inability to feed your kids and keep the roof over your head.

@TheKeatingFive

Yes I do mind you asking. Because rather than have any sympathy - the fact that I am ‘pro lockdown’ - you will use whatever I say against me, and attack.

@Emergency73 that must have been very difficult. I agree that lockdown in the beginning was needed and that overall more are alive because of it. We don't know the long term impacts of lockdown, just as we don't know the long term impacts of covid (physical health, financial, mental health, years of life lost etc).

Yes I do mind you asking. Because rather than have any sympathy - the fact that I am ‘pro lockdown’ - you will use whatever I say against me, and attack.

It's a reasonable question.

Anyone I knew who had no income during lockdown periods was seriously worried about those two things. They're pretty fundamental.

A lot of things were challenging at the beginning, and a lot of us found ourselves in weird situations, or even awful ones.

But also for everyone who found lockdown difficult, there were those who found it very comfortable and even enjoyed it, and certainly enjoyed hectoring others. There were a few threads where particularly mums of pre-schoolers said they liked having their dhs at home, enjoyed the slow pace of life and “their little family”. Also the younger retired, with no dcs at home and a very nice standard of living.

Life has moved on, but there is still a rump of people for whom spring 2020 was Peak Existence. There are also those with an eye to the political main chance, eg some quite unpleasant posters in HE who were demanding all university should be remote, and a “supposed” dad who posted a schools scare story every day (again, clearly someone from union HQ).

@DottyHarmer

A lot of things were challenging at the beginning, and a lot of us found ourselves in weird situations, or even awful ones.

But also for everyone who found lockdown difficult, there were those who found it very comfortable and even enjoyed it, and certainly enjoyed hectoring others. There were a few threads where particularly mums of pre-schoolers said they liked having their dhs at home, enjoyed the slow pace of life and “their little family”. Also the younger retired, with no dcs at home and a very nice standard of living.

Life has moved on, but there is still a rump of people for whom spring 2020 was Peak Existence. There are also those with an eye to the political main chance, eg some quite unpleasant posters in HE who were demanding all university should be remote, and a “supposed” dad who posted a schools scare story every day (again, clearly someone from union HQ).

There were some really awful posters.

Some dedicated to hounding anyone they disagreed with for months.

@DottyHarmer I think that is absolutely it for some people. Lockdown can now been seen through rose tinted glasses when the world went quiet and those that were fortunate spent time with family without external pressures.

Plus the weather turned lovely and warm very soon after it started leading to a kind of utopia for some.

There were, from my view, some pluses such as reduced traffic both on street level and in the skies, although this impacted on people's jobs and still is, in the travel industry.

I find myself looking back to some extent like this although I very much do not want lockdown again. But I am one of those who can WFH on full pay, have a reasonable size house with garden. Then I remember my friend who experienced awful DV partly as a result, the homeschooling battles and the rest and I am very glad that time is over!