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Anyone want a perpetual lockdown

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beentoldcomputersaysno · 25/01/2022 01:23

I often see posters accused of wanting continual lockdowns, despite their post not suggesting it. I often assume it's done to deflect or antagonise posters who suggest a health measure(s) to adapt to life post-2019. However, is there anyone who posts on this board that does want perpetual lockdowns?

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Flaxmeadow · 31/01/2022 07:45

Anyone want perpetual reinfection?

Sparklingbrook · 31/01/2022 07:59

@Flaxmeadow

Anyone want perpetual reinfection?
The same as cold and flu always was?
Flaxmeadow · 31/01/2022 08:05

The same as cold and flu always was?

No, I was talking about Covid19

Sparklingbrook · 31/01/2022 08:07

@Flaxmeadow

The same as cold and flu always was?

No, I was talking about Covid19

Yes so was I. Covid 19 would just join the illnesses you can get perpetually reinfected with like colds and flu.
Flaxmeadow · 31/01/2022 08:10

Sparklingbrook

Covid19 is not the same as colds and flu

NightmareSlashDelightful · 31/01/2022 08:28

@Flaxmeadow

Anyone want perpetual reinfection?
This is not the logical gotcha you seem to think it is.

Emerging from a specific phase of the pandemic doesn’t mean that all preventative activity around that disease stops. Vaccines (incl multivalents) will continue to be developed, treatments will continue to improve, base levels of community immunity will settle to a steady point.

Flaxmeadow · 31/01/2022 08:33

This is not the logical gotcha you seem to think it is.

I wasn't posting it as a 'gotcha'.

No one wants either perpetual lockdowns or perpetual reinfections. But what to do?

Emerging from a specific phase of the pandemic doesn’t mean that all preventative activity around that disease stops. Vaccines (incl multivalents) will continue to be developed, treatments will continue to improve,

I agree. The vaccines have been an incredible effort. Thank God for science

... base levels of community immunity will settle to a steady point.

Will it? Not sure what evidence there is for this?

NightmareSlashDelightful · 31/01/2022 08:42

What I mean is — vaccination percentages will, longer term, settle to a certain statistically stable level. Plus there’ll always be a rolling cohort of people who’ll have had covid relatively recently and have immunity from that.

This term ‘herd immunity’ has been captured and misappropriated by some people who don’t understand it, and subsequently pooh-poohed by others based on that misappropriation. But it is a factor — based on a complex combo of vaccination, infection immunity and a tiny handful of people who are either naturally immune. (This does happen, albeit in tiny proportions. One of my brothers discovered recently that he’s naturally immune to HIV, for example.)

greenteafiend · 31/01/2022 09:09

Anyone want perpetual reinfection?

Sure (shrugs). It's what happens with other viruses each year.

VikingOnTheFridge · 31/01/2022 09:28

The concept that it actually matters at this point whether anyone wants perpetual reinfection is bemusing.

DottyHarmer · 31/01/2022 09:38

It is interesting to go back and look at those 2020 threads. Really odd behaviour. Yes, at that point we were all scared of an unknown virus, but the sheer persistent nastiness of some posters was astounding.

The hypocrites! A fun thread, I seem to remember it was titled, “This is how the virus spreads!” as the OP had been for a walk and there were other people there touching gateposts and all. Also the moaning about covidiots on Bournemouth beach, who were not staying at home in their nice big gardens (a la complainers).

Also the liars! All those who said they had definitely been infected by their post (liar liar pants on fire) or the person who claimed 10 colleagues in their school had died (interesting it never made the news….).

TheKeatingFive · 31/01/2022 09:44

or the person who claimed 10 colleagues in their school had died (interesting it never made the news….).

I thought I was 12?

Sloughsabigplace · 31/01/2022 09:48

@DottyHarmer

It is interesting to go back and look at those 2020 threads. Really odd behaviour. Yes, at that point we were all scared of an unknown virus, but the sheer persistent nastiness of some posters was astounding.

The hypocrites! A fun thread, I seem to remember it was titled, “This is how the virus spreads!” as the OP had been for a walk and there were other people there touching gateposts and all. Also the moaning about covidiots on Bournemouth beach, who were not staying at home in their nice big gardens (a la complainers).

Also the liars! All those who said they had definitely been infected by their post (liar liar pants on fire) or the person who claimed 10 colleagues in their school had died (interesting it never made the news….).

I’ve had a re read of some of those threads. I had to leave mumsnet for most of 2020 as people were descending into madness.

I was genuinely worried for the mental health strangers on the internet.

I was pregnant at the time and had enough of it in real life with midwives telling me how dangerous it would be if I didn’t quarantine my shoes in a plastic bag for three days after attending the hospital. I was never going to catch covid off my fucking shoes. Or my hair which I was told that I must wash the second I walked in my front door, in fact, I had to strip everything off, put it in the washing machine immediately and race to the shower to wash off the virus before it got into my mouth, or eyes and definitely killed me.

I just used to look at them and wonder if I had slipped into an alternate universe where my cardigan was going to kill me after i’d sat on a chair in an empty hospital for ten minuets.

At one point, I genuinely thought the rest of the world had gone insane.

A mother was “named and shamed” on a FB group in my area for letting her child play in a sandpit on the edge of park at 7am. Because covid could be on the sand! Or her child could be a carrier of covid, leave it all over the sand and someone else’s child could die if they touched it ! I was kicked out of the group for telling them to get a fucking grip.

Fear is a terrible thing.

CornishYarg · 31/01/2022 10:22

@GoldenOmber

Credit for finding that thread goes to CornishYarg not me!

It was absolutely bonkers though. I do try and view it through the lens of people being very scared and latching onto The Rules as the only way to save us all. But FFS there are people there calling for armed soldiers on the streets! What the actual fuck would that have achieved?

When I was looking for that thread, I found various interesting ones from March/April 2020 including one asking what the law actually said was allowed or not in lockdown.

There was a mixture of posters saying we need to be clear what the rules actually are, and those trying to justify their own made up interpretation. And one absolutely chilling comment saying "At this time, it doesn't really matter what the law says."

Like you say, I think we do have to view it through the lens of what was happening at the time - the shock and fear of it all. It was still early days so a lot believed if we just did what we were told then it would all be over soon. But if some people ignored the rules then we'd all be punished with more restrictions. That thread also had several examples of overreach by local police force which would have added to the atmosphere of fear and recrimination.

But I agree, it's very hard to justify the extreme nastiness and total lack of empathy from some.

Wreath21 · 31/01/2022 10:55

[quote Emergency73]@Wreath21

So why were half of humanity across the globe in lockdown in 2020, and practically every country in Europe?

I agree with what you are saying, and the whole pandemic has brought out some of the worst in human behaviour. But at the very least we still have life. We can still breath, think, feel - and have - if not now, but in some years time - opportunity. I lost my better paid job during the pandemic and am one of the delivery drivers that you speak of, and I deliver to the wealthy houses that you speak of. But I’m alive, my family are alive and I am bloody grateful for that. And I hope to continue with my profession in the future.

If you look at Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs - there are certain building blocks that need to be in place before you can achieve fulfilment. At the very basic level you need a life, you need access to healthcare, safety, food, shelter, warmth before you can achieve a quality of life.

If the whole globe had carried on as normal, no intervention - where would we be?

And on a personal level here, someone very, very close to me needed urgent hospital care during the pandemic and just got there in time as the Covid cases in their hospital subsided. She would have died had Covid been allowed to spread unchecked.[/quote]
Restrictions, globally, could have been better managed (less damaging and distressing, giving less of an opportunity to abusers and grifters) if they hadn't been infused with so much moral panic. But, to a greater or lesser extent, the worse governments deliberately built puritanism into their approaches - the obsession with deciding what was and was not essential (decisions almost entirely made by wealthy men who outsourced things like childcare and domestic work) kept the public busy scolding and snitching on each other. There was almost no focus on what practical measures would genuinely help (air scrubbers in particular), and even mentioning them tended to lead to accusations of selfishness and being a eugenicist.

VikingOnTheFridge · 31/01/2022 10:58

This is 100% true wreath.

DottyHarmer · 31/01/2022 12:08

I’m not sure men are entirely to blame - some of the most fervent zero covid people are the NZ PM and that Dr Zoe person linked to upthread (or on another thread - my memory fails me) who hails China as the epitome of good covid practice.

MarshaBradyo · 31/01/2022 12:12

@DottyHarmer

I’m not sure men are entirely to blame - some of the most fervent zero covid people are the NZ PM and that Dr Zoe person linked to upthread (or on another thread - my memory fails me) who hails China as the epitome of good covid practice.
True.

Although women and young were hit hardest many who wanted the most extreme were women. Including on mn too.

Wreath21 · 31/01/2022 12:20

@DottyHarmer

I’m not sure men are entirely to blame - some of the most fervent zero covid people are the NZ PM and that Dr Zoe person linked to upthread (or on another thread - my memory fails me) who hails China as the epitome of good covid practice.
I wasn't all that impressed with Saint Jacinta myself, though in some ways she did a better job than Fucko the Clown - but that has more to do with the fact that she had already been doing a better job and NZ had better social infrastructure and less dire economic inequality than the UK.
VikingOnTheFridge · 31/01/2022 12:22

@DottyHarmer

I’m not sure men are entirely to blame - some of the most fervent zero covid people are the NZ PM and that Dr Zoe person linked to upthread (or on another thread - my memory fails me) who hails China as the epitome of good covid practice.
That's also true, but it's undeniably the case that most of the people making these policies were men.

However what's more important is that those making them were not the ones who'd suffer the downsides. Access to childcare is one of the most significant examples, it was always clear that most of the people in the room could afford a nanny, but there are many. Nobody in the Cabinet was going to be stuck in an overcrowded flat with no access to outside space and kids who'd really suffer from playgrounds being shut too, for example.

MarshaBradyo · 31/01/2022 12:23

I remember Starmer casually throwing out ‘nurseries should probably close’ one Sunday in 2021 winter lockdown.

Fark that was bad.

MarshaBradyo · 31/01/2022 12:25

Luckily they didn’t in England - private nurseries that is

But Scotland suffered from NS making life very hard for some women by shutting them

TheKeatingFive · 31/01/2022 12:27

I remember Starmer casually throwing out ‘nurseries should probably close’ one Sunday in 2021 winter lockdown.

I remember that. The point where I lost all respect for him entirely.

VikingOnTheFridge · 31/01/2022 12:29

@MarshaBradyo

I remember Starmer casually throwing out ‘nurseries should probably close’ one Sunday in 2021 winter lockdown.

Fark that was bad.

That was appalling.

And he's another example of a wealthy man who clearly wasn't ever going to be expected to do his job at the same time as looking after toddlers.

MarshaBradyo · 31/01/2022 12:52

Yep!

Tbh as a woman who works in private sector who needs childcare the left and pro lockdown views worry me more, but probably against majority of mn in saying that