Anyone want a perpetual lockdown

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I often see posters accused of wanting continual lockdowns, despite their post not suggesting it. I often assume it's done to deflect or antagonise posters who suggest a health measure(s) to adapt to life post-2019. However, is there anyone who posts on this board that does want perpetual lockdowns?

@HarrietteNightingale

And if you re-read my post, I did say "where I live". I never said I was the sole definition of social distancing everywhere. This is a prime example of people like you twisting words and making stuff up. It's frustrating.

As a general point: It's completely useless and not conducive to a reasonable discussion to use a poorly understood term like "social distancing" (as we can see) which relates to guidelines which have changed in meaning over time due to localised policy. It's like "support and childcare bubbles", lots of people just spouted uninformed crap about them on here without understanding what the term actually referred to.

This isn't difficult

This is a prime example of people like you twisting words and making stuff up. It's frustrating.

You are frustrating and you are an example of why these discussions are so toxic and so divisive. I haven't made anything up at all. I've posted a link from an international public health source, to show that some people's understanding of the term (in general) is inaccurate. This means when discussing it in terms of which measures you would like to see maintained or brought in that it needs further clarification rather than vagueness. Another poster posted the link to the UK gov guidelines themselves. This is a U.K. based site and we are primarily talking about what measures should continue in the U.K.

"Social distancing" is a range of measures designed to slow transmission by reducing social contact of all kinds. It is not simply keeping your distance in a physical sense when you are in the presence of others. It never has been, whatever it says where you are. That is what I'm saying. That is all I'm saying.

Please read people's posts properly and take the time to inform yourself better. You can try to be more polite, for a change, because I've regularly seen you patronising other people and being pretty rude on these threads. How dare you say I'm "twisting words and making stuff up"! Rude and untrue.

@HarrietteNightingale

As a general point: It's completely useless and not conducive to a reasonable discussion to use a poorly understood term like "social distancing" (as we can see) which relates to guidelines which have changed in meaning over time due to localised policy. It's like "support and childcare bubbles", lots of people just spouted uninformed crap about them on here without understanding what the term actually referred to.

This isn't difficult

So, to get back on track then

Many of us have said what we mean, specifically, by sensible measures we think it would be prudent to continue for a while. I’ve also talked a fair bit about my views of the costs and benefits of those.

What I’ve seen back is distraction over what social distant means, and some spurious stuff saying it’s be mad to ban all cars.

Many of us have said what we mean, specifically, by sensible measures we think it would be prudent to continue for a while. I’ve also talked a fair bit about my views of the costs and benefits of those.

No, I think only you have said what you mean specifically. Most people who share your views that there should be further restrictions have been a bit vague and hidden behind terms that aren't universally understood in the same way by everyone. And I'm not the only person to have pointed that out. Thank you for that, at least. It allowed the chance to discuss substantive ideas of what is and isn't reasonable to expect, costs etc.

It's all academic, anyway, as restrictions are going very shortly, both here and elsewhere. And the Covid legislation expires in March and would need parliament to renew, which is unlikely at this time. So a bit of a pointless thread to be honest, when all is said and done.

And from my perspective I think those who share your views (I think, unless I’m wrong) that there should be no further measures taken used reducto ad absurdum to make out we want far more than we have said. And that was where this thread all started 😀

And likewise, thanks for your sensible engagement. This thread is far better than the other one…

We have had one of the most toxic combinations around - a demonstrably untrustworthy and thoroughly dangerous government plus a too-high proportion of snivelling shits incapable of understanding that their own circumstances do not apply to other people and insisting that obedience is our only hope.

And from my perspective I think those who share your views (I think, unless I’m wrong) that there should be no further measures taken

I'm a bit of a Covid centrist to be honest, I've (mostly) adhered to the rules so far, but I think that we now need to get back to some kind of normality as a society and I mostly welcome the approach that we are taking now. It doesn't mean that I support the government, think they've done a good job or that they aren't a bunch of self serving shits.

I think a move towards more remote working where possible is a good thing, but not always practical. Getting rid of the culture of presenteeism when ill would be a net positive.

@Wreath21

We have had one of the most toxic combinations around - a demonstrably untrustworthy and thoroughly dangerous government plus a too-high proportion of snivelling shits incapable of understanding that their own circumstances do not apply to other people and insisting that obedience is our only hope.

Whereas this kind of hyperbolic nastiness doesn’t aid any kind of conversation at all

I do however feel that Covid and the measures taken to slow it has had an effect on people's mental health, to a greater or lesser extent. I think often these threads are used as a sort of coping mechanism (not necessarily referring to anyone here) and people channel their feelings into shouting at others online and becoming tribal about their views. There's a distinct lack of empathy and understanding of other people's feelings and needs from all quarters.

@HarrietteNightingale we’re probably actually fairly close in our views then. I agree with “some kind of normality” but as you’ve rightly said, one persons close to normal is another persons massive imposition. It’s open to misunderstanding (and misrepresentation) unless clarified 😀

@BillMasen frankly some people thoroughly deserve a good smacking around online.

(BTW and completely OT but it has been bugging me for days - your user name is a character from a book, but which book?)

[quote Wreath21]@BillMasen frankly some people thoroughly deserve a good smacking around online.

(BTW and completely OT but it has been bugging me for days - your user name is a character from a book, but which book?)[/quote]
Day of the triffids. He’s the main character who doesn’t go blind like most others in the world. I chose it as a kind of in joke (the only one not blind) but that’s not how I see myself, honestly!

I've (mostly) adhered to the rules so far, but I think that we now need to get back to some kind of normality as a society and I mostly welcome the approach that we are taking now.

This is pretty much where I am too. Although I didn’t agree with measures that impacted young so I followed but not without disagreeing and some anger. Not that I could do much about it.

@BillMasen Thank you, I knew it was familiar. (loved the book as a teenager).

Day of the Triffids!

Absolute cast-iron classic

This is a prime example of people like you twisting words and making stuff up. It's frustrating.

It really is, its happened throughout, best just to move on, these people just move from one misquote, assumption or blantant untruth to the next, you are not the only one to point this out with that poster. Its fine to have differing views but to misquote and not substantiate claims, it highlights what their intention on the thread is and thats to antagonise, not have adult conversation at all

Its been made clear that the term social distancing has never changed and no example had been given on where the government used it to mean anything other than distancing socially. Yes as most have said the rules changed but the term socially distanced has always meant just that.

But hey ho, they just cant understand it, despite it being explained and examples given many, many,many, many times.

@DottyHarmer

I had a big lump in throat at the vaccination centre at everyone doing their absolute best in a super-cheerful fashion. Even teen dd said she felt emotional at the good spirit when she went to be vaccinated.

It was a truly lovely thing. It was a time to be proud of our people (not our government!!!) our society.

There were the majority of people who got angry at what was happening but turned that into something good and then their were people who got angry and tried to divide the nation, aimed their anger at those with different views and thought the more and the louder they shouted people would listen.
Thankfully the majority of the country dealt with the horrendous situation well.

I'm certainly living rent free in some people's heads, I see. Complete failure in understanding the point that other people made as well as me. Just petty sniping and nothing much else. Ah well. As I said, it's a hobby of a sort.

but as you’ve rightly said, one persons close to normal is another persons massive imposition. It’s open to misunderstanding (and misrepresentation) unless clarified

Yes, it is. It's good to discuss and hear about others' lives and circumstances that we may not have considered. I am sympathetic to people who wish to keep some restrictions to an extent, but on balance I think psychologically we need to prepare to move out of "pandemic phase", because it's mentally fucking up a lot of people as far as I can see.

Its been made clear that the term social distancing has never changed and no example had been given on where the government used it to mean anything other than distancing socially

But I linked to the actual government page where… oh, never mind.

I know! As you say, never mind

@GoldenOmber

But I linked to the actual government page where… oh, never mind.

Yes, you did that, and it was interesting to learn what 'social distancing' means for another country. As Harriete might remember, I pointed out that I don't live in England, or the UK. Could it be possible, even, that a country might simplify health guidance for their citizens for making the term 'social distancing' refer just to monitoring the personal space around you in public areas and keeping a distance of 1.5m between yourself and others? Because that is how it is in my country. I appreciate it is different in yours.

@HarrietteNightingale

This is a prime example of people like you twisting words and making stuff up. It's frustrating.

You are frustrating and you are an example of why these discussions are so toxic and so divisive. I haven't made anything up at all. I've posted a link from an international public health source, to show that some people's understanding of the term (in general) is inaccurate. This means when discussing it in terms of which measures you would like to see maintained or brought in that it needs further clarification rather than vagueness. Another poster posted the link to the UK gov guidelines themselves. This is a U.K. based site and we are primarily talking about what measures should continue in the U.K.

"Social distancing" is a range of measures designed to slow transmission by reducing social contact of all kinds. It is not simply keeping your distance in a physical sense when you are in the presence of others. It never has been, whatever it says where you are. That is what I'm saying. That is all I'm saying.

Please read people's posts properly and take the time to inform yourself better. You can try to be more polite, for a change, because I've regularly seen you patronising other people and being pretty rude on these threads. How dare you say I'm "twisting words and making stuff up"! Rude and untrue.

Anyone can be on this site, Harriete. You don't make the rules. It can also be helpful to others what SD means in other countries; so are you saying you don't others to share their experience? That would be boring. That would be nothing but one viewpoint.

As for the toxicity and division - you may wish to look in the mirror.

I'll own up. I want a selective lockdown where my DC can still go to Uni and have a social life, but i don't ever have to go back to the office 😭😭