A little surprised with girl guiding

[Jenkel]

Dd1 is a rainbow, tested positive for covid a week ago, day 5 and 6 lateral flows negative, no symptoms and back to school, dd2 is. Brownie, remained negative every day. Trip to theatre with the whole local guiding group this weekend, what would have been day 9 for dd1. However neither of them are allowed to go, girl guiding rules state that it is still 10 days of isolation for any body that has covid or has covid within their family. so total disregard for government advice, this has been checked higher up. Now not a huge big deal but they both want to go and I have to say I am slightly surprised, especially as it’s perfectly acceptable for them to go to school, dance class, swimming class etc.

so total disregard for government advice,
Mine do scouts, I’m not sure what there regulations are. But I am very mindful that they are volunteers who have differing outside commitments, so some are carer’s for elderly and are exceptionally cautious. Others younger, work in the children’s schools so already exposed and are less cautious.

I know scouts do a lot to protect the risk to their volunteers, as without them the whole thing can’t run. I would assume it’s the same with guiding.

Mine does Guides and we were today informed that the rules are the same as school rules.

@EvilPea

so total disregard for government advice, Mine do scouts, I’m not sure what there regulations are. But I am very mindful that they are volunteers who have differing outside commitments, so some are carer’s for elderly and are exceptionally cautious. Others younger, work in the children’s schools so already exposed and are less cautious.

I know scouts do a lot to protect the risk to their volunteers, as without them the whole thing can’t run. I would assume it’s the same with guiding.

Totally agree with you if it was a normal meeting, but it’s in a theatre with 1000 other people, we had to take them there and pick them up so transport isn’t the issue. If so worried about outside commitment for volunteers, why make them go to a theatre.

@EvilPea

so total disregard for government advice, Mine do scouts, I’m not sure what there regulations are. But I am very mindful that they are volunteers who have differing outside commitments, so some are carer’s for elderly and are exceptionally cautious. Others younger, work in the children’s schools so already exposed and are less cautious.

I know scouts do a lot to protect the risk to their volunteers, as without them the whole thing can’t run. I would assume it’s the same with guiding.

Yes this - DDs Guide Leader is heavily pregnant and one has a CEV husband so they are very careful and we all accept that due to it. So anyone in the household positive they simply dont go

Our scout group have asked if someone in your household has COVID(so a contact) not to attend for 10 days. This is to not only to protect the volunteer leaders, but we wanted to help try and stop any further spread in local schools

School, swimming and Dance class are not staffed entirely by volunteers. I think it’s fair if that’s the way they want to do it.

Good for them, nice to see the organisation has more common sense than the government.

Extra curricular should go with school rules. Siblings with household case of Covid continue going to go school and extra curricular activities ought to have the same rule. After all, even if GG is run by volunteers (I've been a leader myself) families pay subscription fees and commit their time it's disappointing that they didn't allow you other dd how tested negative not to attend. Especially if the event is a theatre visit, there'll be plenty of people with Covid in the audience at least your dd is testing negative.

@Wankerchief

School, swimming and Dance class are not staffed entirely by volunteers. I think it’s fair if that’s the way they want to do it.

Absolutely, as I said if it was a normal meeting, but it’s not, they are sharing a venue with 1000 other people, who now do not need to wear masks. Dd has been at school for the last 2 days and is sitting next to her best friend who is going, dd2 has been at school the entire time and also sits next to her best friend who is going, I guess it’s a box ticking exercise, perhaps I’m the minority now but I really do think that now we need to carry on as normal as much as possible, but appreciate other people don’t feel the same.

I thought the official guidance was that if you tested negative twice, you could leave isolation early but you should wear a mask and avoid vulnerable people and crowded indoor spaces.
While their probability of still being infectious is low, the risk associated with a theatre trip with a bunch of children from schools across the area is high and I think the leaders are right to say no.

Well, as leaders we are all volunteers- many of us have at risk relatives or are at extra risk ourselves.
Yes, groups are meeting again now, and following strict rules. Some leaders are more worried than others, and this is reflected in what they are prepared to do.

Here are the actual rules:

www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/coronavirus-keeping-safe/

If you want the kids to be able to do it the way you want then you give up your time for free and volunteer.

[quote averylongtimeago]Well, as leaders we are all volunteers- many of us have at risk relatives or are at extra risk ourselves.
Yes, groups are meeting again now, and following strict rules. Some leaders are more worried than others, and this is reflected in what they are prepared to do.

Here are the actual rules:

www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/coronavirus-keeping-safe/[/quote]
But if as volunteers they are so worried about risk, why are they happy to go and sit in a theater with up to a 1000 other people that they have no idea of the covid status of, the risk of catching covid from somebody who is on day 9 is classed as extremely low. That’s the bit I don’t understand, a normal meeting I get as it relatively controlled situation, A theater is not controlled at all.

After a day 5 negative it's not let's all go out and mix again I'm covid free. It's that a number of people will still be contagious even with a negative test so the advice is to be careful and work from home and distance as much as possible until day 10. I'm not a fan of them (piss poor safeguarding) but this sounds like they're being careful

@Dippydinosaurus

After a day 5 negative it's not let's all go out and mix again I'm covid free. It's that a number of people will still be contagious even with a negative test so the advice is to be careful and work from home and distance as much as possible until day 10. I'm not a fan of them (piss poor safeguarding) but this sounds like they're being careful

They will be on day 9

I’m not being goady, I genuinely don’t know what the rules are on this. But I know pre Christmas you needed a covid pass for theatres. So negative LFT

If that’s still the case perhaps that’s adding to why they don’t want to take them?

Yabu as under 10 days you are not supposed to go to crowded reas and im sure your dc wont be wearing a mask.
I do think siblings should be excluded from extra curricular its not school and childcare clubs asside its not necessary so they can miss a week. Otherwise it ends up everyone else misses the clyb next week plus up to 5 days of school

It might have made some sense if it was a normal meeting, but as people have pointed out, they'll be sat with so many other members of the public.

My daughter's guides is back on zoom for two weeks. I understand her leaders wanting to be cautious, but she can't face more zoom so she's waiting until it's in person again. She joined to make friends and there's no chance to socialise with zoom like there is face to face.

Extra curricular should go with school rules. Siblings with household case of Covid continue going to go school and extra curricular activities ought to have the same rule

I disagree. Extra curricular activities are not compulsory as school is, so it should be up the the volunteers to set the rules that they feel comfortable with. If these are stricter than the Government rules, then so be it.

I'm a cub leader. I requested that all my cubs take a latflow test before attending last week, due to the surge in cases, and not to attend if anyone in their house is positive, or has symptoms. I don't check if they have a actually done this. This is more than is required by law, or by the Scout Association rules.

I still caught covid and am currently isolating (I'm assuming from the cubs, as I hadn't been anywhere else in the few days after the meeting). I'm lucky that I'm fully jabbed, and it's a very mild case, but perhaps not all leaders may be as lucky as me, some might be much more vunerable. It's still causing me problems, as I'm self-employed.

But if as volunteers they are so worried about risk, why are they happy to go and sit in a theater with up to a 1000 other people that they have no idea of the covid status of, the risk of catching covid from somebody who is on day 9 is classed as extremely low. That’s the bit I don’t understand, a normal meeting I get as it relatively controlled situation, A theater is not controlled at all

That's their choice to make. They are controlling the attendees they can control, they have no choice about the others. It's a shame for your DD, but I can see why the leaders might make this choice.

I disagree. Extra curricular activities are not compulsory as school is, so it should be up the the volunteers to set the rules that they feel comfortable with. If these are stricter than the Government rules, then so be it

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It is a shame if any of us miss a treat - I to missed my theatre a couple of weeks ago after testing positive and my dc did because they were isolating. It is a bit disappointing, yes, but it is not comparable with missing school continually.

It is entirely reasonable that volunteers set a slightly higher 'bar' for them to still be willing to give up their time.

Girl Guiding and indeed scouting at reliant on the NYA rulings, which dont always keep pace with government changes. Someone has posted above the latest guiding rules.

That said I agree that local leaders should be able to add in whatever they feel comfortable with. They are volunteers, they have lives outside of scouting/girlguiding, they have caring responsibilities, they need to work too - volu teering doesnt pay the bills. Yes it's a shame your girls missed out on this occasion. Alot of kids / alot of people have missed out kn an awful lot over the last 2 years. Hopefully we will all get the chance to make up for lost time!

My guide is on zoom until half term. My scout is happily attending scouts. Just grateful people volunteer to lead the groups!

The volunteers who give so much of their time to Scouts and Guides can set any rules they want as far as I am concerned.
I am so very grateful for all they do - they really are super stars.

Each unit will have their own risk assessment. Many have gone back on Zoom even though officially they don't have to. Some units are still running activities with social distancing although this is no longer required. It is down to each leadership team to make the choices they think are best for themselves and their group. Unfortunately your leaders have decided to request 10 days isolation, as they are within their rights to do so.

@CarrieBlue

Good for them, nice to see the organisation has more common sense than the government.

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