Getting second vaccine ‘early’ after Covid

[SqueakingTiger]

Hi
I’m trying to find out if there are any health risks involved in getting a second vaccine earlier than nhs advises, after recovery from Covid.

Specifically, 28 days after Covid for a 17yo and after 21 days after for a 19yo. It’s the latter that concerns me more for obvious reasons.

Obviously, they may or may not be actually allowed to have it but might try their luck at a drop in.

We’re trying to salvage a large family group holiday abroad but I’m only interested in discussing post health implications of getting the the vaccines ‘early’, plus experience of anyone who has done similar. (Yes, we know foreign travel isn’t essential!!)

I have an adult friend who got her booster exactly 28 days after getting covid, she was warned by the vaccinator that's the there's an increased chance she could have a strong reaction. And she has been floored by it. But I think under 18s have to wait 12 weeks anyway so your 17yo has no chance.

Oh gosh. What do you mean by floored? Short term or long term reaction?

Short term - 24-36 hrs of blinding headache, bone deep fatigue, and that general flu-y feeling. Then a day's worth of ordinary tiredness a bit like a hangover.

I thought 28 days following the positive PCR was the minimum time for over 18s. So 28 days is fine for adults.

Not for under 18s though. 12 weeks is advised. I think due to the tiny risk of myocarditis.

Though it’s worth noting the advice is different in other counties. America is one month. So must be very negligible difference. You’ll struggle to get an under 18 done in less that 12. Areas of high incidence were dropping it to 8 I heard.

I couldn’t have my second one due to covid when I was supposed to. My husband asked when he had his if they’d know if someone went for it early after covid….they said all the info was in there system. Not sure how true it is, but that’s what they told him.

Yes, 12 weeks wait for under 18s.

I had mine just over 28 days after covid, and didn't have any negative reaction at all.

Yes, when they find you on the system your other dates of vaccination are all there & the vaccintaor should check them to make sure the gap is correct. With adults it gives you a message if it is early (not sure about children as I don't vaccinate them). If a centre gives the vaccine before the recommended time it will be the decision of the clinical lead at that site & they will be opertaing outside the current rules. Or a vaccinator could make a mistake (it happens!).

They will only vaccinate under 18s with less than 12 weeks if they are in the vulnerable group and then it’s very strict 28 days.

OK thanks.

Can we focus on the 19yo only.

The 17 yo can / will wait.

If they DO blag their way into getting the vaccine at 21 days after Covid, are there any known health implications?

How could someone 'blag' it anyway, when your record is checked by computer before you have the vaccine. I had my booster at a drop/walk in and they still check it

Yes, I did a walk in and they checked my dates.

At my vaccine centre they will not give a vaccine within 28 days.

The dates are all on the same computer system, so there is no less scrutiny at a walk-in centre.

Any change to protocol would have to be sanctioned by a doctor, for clinical reasons.

At our centre you wouldn’t be allowed to have them earlier. The system wouldn’t allow it. I’ve seen people turned away.

They won’t be able to blag their way in.

I'm not aware of any, but I really don't think you'll get anyone to do it. From the Green book:
"Individuals with a past history of COVID-19 infection
There is no convincing evidence of any safety concerns from vaccinating individuals with a past history of COVID-19 infection, or with detectable COVID-19 antibody.
Vaccination of individuals who may be infected or asymptomatic or incubating COVID-19 infection is unlikely to have a detrimental effect on the illness. Vaccination should ideally be deferred in those with confirmed infection to avoid confusing the differential diagnosis.
As clinical deterioration can occur up to two weeks after infection, vaccination of adults and high risk children should be deferred until clinical recovery to around four weeks after onset of symptoms or four weeks from the first confirmed positive specimen for that
episode in those who are asymptomatic. The four week interval may be reduced in periods of high incidence or where there is concern about vaccine effectiveness (for example a new variant).
In younger people, protection from serious complications of COVID-19 infection is likely to be high for a period of months. Limited evidence suggests that countries with longer intervals between primary doses (eight to twelve weeks) may have a lower rate of
myocarditis after the second dose. Based on extrapolation from this limited evidence, JCVI have taken a precautionary approach to mitigate the very rare risk of post-vaccinemyocarditis. Therefore
vaccination should ideally be deferred until twelve weeks from onset
(or sample date) in children and young people under 18 years who are not in high risk groups. This interval may be reduced to eight weeks in healthy under 18 year olds during periods of high incidence or where there is concern about vaccine effectiveness (for example a new variant). Current advice in PIMS-TS cases also suggests that an interval of 12 weeks should be observed, although earlier administration can be considered in those at risk of infection and/or who are fully recovered.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1045852/Greenbook-chapter-14a-11Jan22.pdf

@SqueakingTiger

Hi I’m trying to find out if there are any health risks involved in getting a second vaccine earlier than nhs advises, after recovery from Covid.

Specifically, 28 days after Covid for a 17yo and after 21 days after for a 19yo. It’s the latter that concerns me more for obvious reasons.

Obviously, they may or may not be actually allowed to have it but might try their luck at a drop in.

We’re trying to salvage a large family group holiday abroad but I’m only interested in discussing post health implications of getting the the vaccines ‘early’, plus experience of anyone who has done similar. (Yes, we know foreign travel isn’t essential!!)

I volunteer at a drop and no, we would not allow it. It has to be 28 days. And eight weeks between one and two for adults, twelve weeks for under eighteens.

A lot of people lie to the volunteer marshall on the door, but they don't get past the admin and their computer.

By blag, do you mean lie?

@GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat

By blag, do you mean lie?

She must do. I've seen people have full on adult tantrums for not getting what they want, but they still don't get it.

Is this for travel?

I can't think of any other reason to do this.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says

[quote hamstersarse]Is this for travel?

I can't think of any other reason to do this.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says[/quote]
Yes: We’re trying to salvage a large family group holiday abroad

I've literally just had a guy come in for his first jab, going on holiday eight weeks today and asking if he'll be able to have his second earlier than eight weeks. He's been told no.

He'd need it two weeks before as well because it's not effective for two to three weeks anyway.

We've still jabbed him his first though!

It would increase the risk of myocarditis if given earlier,

Thank you to those of you who have posted with helpful information, especially @Cookerhood.

For context ,having recalculated this would be 6 days early. So day 22 rather than 28. I don’t think it’s worth taking any risks but logically I’m struggling to see how those 6 days would make such a difference to risk.

Don’t you think the guidance was written by people who knew what they were talking about?
Don’t tell your children to lie to the vaccinators. They should tell the truth about when they had covid and then they’ll be turned away until after 28days.