Quebec to introduce a tax for the unvaccinated

[Hairbrush123]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59960689.amp

What are peoples thoughts on this?

It's cruel, and will increase distrust among those who are already marginalised.
Astounding to me that anyone could support such a measure. Frightening actually, and very very sad that people can be so lacking in imagination and nuanced thinking

Does anyone know what age they vaccinate from? I’m vaccinated but not my children. And I don’t intend to vaccinate them until they are at least a few months into their menstrual cycles starting. It would be interesting to know if the tax would be levied on parents of unvaccinated. It’s an awful idea- as with any tax on target groups it always disproportionately affects minorities or poor.

@Shadowboy

Does anyone know what age they vaccinate from? I’m vaccinated but not my children. And I don’t intend to vaccinate them until they are at least a few months into their menstrual cycles starting. It would be interesting to know if the tax would be levied on parents of unvaccinated. It’s an awful idea- as with any tax on target groups it always disproportionately affects minorities or poor.

Not sure about Quebec but in Austria it will be 14+

From a strict public health standpoint, if such a tax is NOT indeed solely a punitive measure to force compliance, then there should be absolutely no exceptions. Your kids are not eligible for the vaccine? Too bad, maybe you shouldn't have had kids then? Why should the vaccinated people have to support your unvaccinated kids?

Of course that won't happen, because this is NOT about public health, it is politically driven, and there is a convenient created "other" class to blame and target to give the illusion of doing something to fight covid.

@Hairbrush123

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59960689.amp

What are peoples thoughts on this?

Clearly not a good idea - as others have said, we'd then have to start lining up some of the other health risks in the country: obesity, smokers, drinkers, didn't get your flu jab, diabetics etc.

But what are your thoughts Javid?

Perhaps a better idea is to slap a tax on all those who benefitted from Furlough?

We could think of it a bit like making students from poorer households having to pay back 'maintenance grants' at increasing rates of interest when the gov sold off the debts.

All in this together!

It’s disgusting and makes a mockery of our freedoms and rights.

To the poster who calls not getting the vaccine ‘bad health choices’ I laugh in your face. What about all the ‘bad health choices’ people make every day via alcohol, smoking, junk food, drugs etc?! Should those people (of whom there are many) be taxed or be denied healthcare? Those who develop liver disease from drinking too much? Those who develop type two diabetes from eating crap, who get cancer from smoking too much etc etc.

What is happening to our societies? I’m terrified (& not or the virus!)

Live in Québec and I'm all for it. They are cancelling non urgent surgery to treat the unvaccinated. Makes no sense

Illiberal, undemocratic, coercive, divisive, nasty... But unsurprising from Canada. I feel so sorry for Canadians being subject to shit like this, on top of all the other nonsense.

They've already said you need proof of vaccination to get into supermarkets, so it's a move in the right direction

Illiberal, undemocratic, coercive, divisive, nasty... But unsurprising from Canada. I feel so sorry for Canadians being subject to shit like this, on top of all the other nonsense.

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Yeah, just carry on suffering in ICU on a ventilator, that's the way forward

Social credit system. Here we come. Move over China. It says its significant.

@immersivereader

Live in Québec and I'm all for it. They are cancelling non urgent surgery to treat the unvaccinated. Makes no sense

What, just the ‘unvaccinated’?

@immersivereader

Live in Québec and I'm all for it. They are cancelling non urgent surgery to treat the unvaccinated. Makes no sense

How will taxing people help with that?

This would be different if it was just a pandemic of the unvaccinated, and if the vaccine was significantly better at stopping transmission, and the vaccine had a significantly longer period of effectiveness. Unfortunately, it isn't, and doesn't.

@frozendaisy

Who cares? It's only what 13% unvaccinated so hardly a majority.

Have you always been such a nice person?

If I understood correctly, Premier Legault was stating that 90 % of the ICU bed occupancy was by unvaccinated individuals being treated for COVID. Quebec, as with many Canadian provinces, has cancelled all surgery which is not classed as an emergency or for cancer for all people, irrespective of vaccination status. I do have a number of issues with the proposed tax but I guess they’re trying to find a way to keep people out of the ICUs, especially as hospitals are not able to provide other important care

@mamakoukla

If I understood correctly, Premier Legault was stating that 90 % of the ICU bed occupancy was by unvaccinated individuals being treated for COVID. Quebec, as with many Canadian provinces, has cancelled all surgery which is not classed as an emergency or for cancer for all people, irrespective of vaccination status. I do have a number of issues with the proposed tax but I guess they’re trying to find a way to keep people out of the ICUs, especially as hospitals are not able to provide other important care

But is that 90% who were being treated for covid or who were being treated for other issues and tested positive?

How will taxing people help with that?^

It's not a tax. It's a penalty. Not the same thing.

@immersivereader

Live in Québec and I'm all for it. They are cancelling non urgent surgery to treat the unvaccinated. Makes no sense

I thought there was a high % of people in Canada vaccinated so how come the tiny minority of unvaxxed are taking up all the hospital beds? Surely the numbers don't stack up?

What about vegans who don't want to inject something that has been tested on animals? Surely people should have a choice. This is effectively removing choice but the back door.

I thought there was a high % of people in Canada vaccinated so how come the tiny minority of unvaxxed are taking up all the hospital beds? Surely the numbers don't stack up?

Because the unnvacinated are more likely to become seriously ill if they get infected covid.

@Flaxmeadow

I thought there was a high % of people in Canada vaccinated so how come the tiny minority of unvaxxed are taking up all the hospital beds? Surely the numbers don't stack up?

Because the unnvacinated are more likely to become seriously ill if they get infected covid.

The point I was making is if there's hardly any unvaxxed in Canada then how on earth can they all be taking up all the beds? People would still be spouting that shit if the country was 100% vaxxed 😂

@epcot15 the point is 10 % of a large number…. is large. Quebec is around 8.6 million; I don’t know how many are not able to be vaccinated eg age threshold (too young). But for a giggle, let’s pretend 6 million can be vaccinated. 10 % of 6000000 is 60,000. That’s a lot of possible ICU bed occupants and, coupling this with the transmissibility of omicron, is why surgeries are cancelled. There will always be a % of vaccinated individuals in the ICU as well but what the data is demonstrating is that the majority of ICU beds are occupied by unvaccinated or partially vaccinated people.

While I get the premier’s frustration, I’m not sure this is a morally acceptable decision

i would be fine with a tax IF some concerns about the vaccine were addressed. myocarditis/pericarditis and medication allergies (testing for reactions) was available.
right now those with genuine concerns and medical reasons to not be vaccinated are lumped in with bizarre ideology.
my son who has had pericarditis from his hepatitis shot is not exempt, so my other son had his shots and now has myocarditis unresolved since his second dose in november totally unable to walk around the block without his HR going up over 120. cardiac cripple and under 40.