A covid 19 infection can raise the risk of Type I & II Diabetes in Children

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From the CDC. FB Link below to NYT Article.

This is what many professionals have been shouting from the rooftops for months now. While children do not die in large numbers, they can still be damaged long-term by these infections. There will no doubt be many more health problems showing up over the next few years at a population (Pediatric) wide level due to a previous covid infection in children.

It was absolute lunacy to let the virus rip through the 5 - 11 year olds in the UK. The JCVI will have a lot to answer for as they were responsible for holding up the vaccinations.

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@Whitegrenache

I think your post somehow long distance slapped my hand off my phone when I was typing that you have superpowers!

@BewareTheLibrarians Well, I could turn that on you - surge caused by Covid bad, surge caused by covid restrictions not bad 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Lifeisnteasy Except I’m not advocating for lockdowns nor do I think they’re a cure all panacea, (or even an appropriate way to deal with covid) so that doesn’t make any sense.

So what do you want?

@theemperorhasnoclothes

For the record, I'd vaccinate my 5 year old today if I could.

I've read up and I strongly believe the science supports the risks of the vaccine being negligible and the risks of covid being considerable.

Has everyone seen the graph of hospital admissions of 0-5 year olds with covid recently? It's going straight up.

I agree. From my own lay point of view, having read the science I can only conclude that the risk of the vaccine is much lower than the risk of having Covid itself. Generally.

@Lifeisnteasy

Ventilation in classrooms and crowded indoor spaces (Japan v good at this, as an example)

Better vaccination rollout for 12-15 years (for those who want it, not interested in forcing anyone but choice should be available in both directions)

Vaccine rollout for 5-11 years. Already approved by MHRA, v good safety profile showing up on countries where 5-11 yr olds are being vaccinated.

Masks, as a “last resort” for a limited time in schools, as all the above hasn’t happened, but must be well fitted, free for children, supported by good public health messaging from the government.

I know you’ve said upthread that you think this is too much hassle/money to protect kids, but I disagree. And we can disagree, that’s fine in my opinion, t1 diabetes is not the only post covid complication worth worrying about, there are others, and I think kids deserve layers of protection that might not each be 100% effective but together will give better health outcomes. This has been done effectively in others countries, so it’s not too extreme to expect it here too.

To those saying that vaccination would have prevented a rise in T1 diagnoses, you do realise that it is just as likely to be caused by being vaccinated? T1 is caused by the an immune response that goes wrong and attacks the beta cells in the pancreas. It doesn't matter whether that immune response is created by a virus or a vaccine.

Most people are diagnosed before the age of 14, being diagnosed a year or two early will make little difference in the grand scheme of things. In fact children often have better control through the teenage years if they are diagnosed as a child and learn how to manage their condition before throwing hormones and teenage rebellion into the mix.

Ok @BewareTheLibrarians let’s dig a little deeper.

How would this ventilation be achieved? Are we talking open doors and windows, or new ventilation systems being fitted? In every classroom and corridor? How long would this take to achieve? What would be the cost?

As for vaccination, well we are pretty much world beating in that, and you can’t deny the U.K. is light years ahead of most countries when it comes to vaccinating. So while it hasn’t been extended to children yet, you can’t say this is an area the U.K. hasn’t done well in.

Masks - all school children? For 8 hours a day? Even the little ones? They’re all hugging, touching, sharing rooms and door handles etc anyway. They’ll take them off in breaks and after school. They’re claustrophobic and there’s limited evidence to say they work anyway.

I can’t help but feel this is another scare mongery thread

This is what gets said on any thread that doesn't say 'catching Covid is fine and dandy' tbh.

It is not scaremongering to discuss info/research coming from a body such as the CDC. It would be fucking weird for that not to be discussed at all given how many people have an active interest in covid in general.

If some people want to dismiss everything out of hand that is their right, of course.

@rrhuth

I can’t help but feel this is another scare mongery thread

This is what gets said on any thread that doesn't say 'catching Covid is fine and dandy' tbh.

It is not scaremongering to discuss info/research coming from a body such as the CDC. It would be fucking weird for that not to be discussed at all given how many people have an active interest in covid in general.

If some people want to dismiss everything out of hand that is their right, of course.

Well pop on the thread about the vaccines causing menstrual changes and get concerned about that as well?

Disclaimer; I’m double jabbed and boosted, currently on day 2 of covid.

As for vaccination, well we are pretty much world beating in that, and you can’t deny the U.K. is light years ahead of most countries when it comes to vaccinating. So while it hasn’t been extended to children yet, you can’t say this is an area the U.K. hasn’t done well in.

The US approved vaccines for 5+ back in November, no?

I don't agree that the UK is 'world beating' at vaccinating. We were early certainly, and had good daily vaccination rates, but have fallen behind now and have been particularly poor WRT children/young people.

We also have been very poor at improving take up in low vaccine areas.

My son developed Type 1 diabetes after having Covid last year. The restrictions should have been in place earlier last year but he might have developed it after another virus anyway. There's no point being angry about it now.

@rrhuth

I don't agree that the UK is 'world beating' at vaccinating. We were early certainly, and had good daily vaccination rates, but have fallen behind now and have been particularly poor WRT children/young people.

We also have been very poor at improving take up in low vaccine areas.

Do you propose mandating vaccination?

Do you propose mandating vaccination? Nope

@rrhuth

Do you propose mandating vaccination? Nope

How do you propose increasing the vaccine uptake?

The same way every other public health measure is improved - investing in communicating and getting into hard-to-reach areas.

Why do you ask questions when the answers are obvious @Lifeisnteasy?

Not everything needs to be an argument. Everyone knows how to improve take up, but the UK does not currently have the resource to do it. The government could employ the resource if it were minded to. If we (the British state) think vaccines are a good thing, then it would be even more of a good thing to increase take up.

@Lifeisnteasy

1. Ventilation as in air filtration, as already used in other countries. Cost thought to be around £200 per classroom (about £6.70 a child) which seems fair to me! Your mileage may vary.

1. All valid points about adults, but this thread and my post were about children.

1. Masks, yes. Upper primary, yes, younger than that I’m not sure, mostly as there aren’t a lot of masks that would fit on much younger children and the fiddling is crazy at the age. And they should be taking them off at break and after school!! (Unless they’re on a school bus.) Not claustrophobic for everyone, and plenty of studies showing that well fitted masks do reduce transmission.

I used to live in Japan though so I’m a bit biased having seen how commonplace and useful mask wearing was. They’ve also done really well at ventilation/air filtration in confined spaces. Their vaccination rate is also pretty good, and last time I checked they recorded 2 deaths nationwide. It can be done, there just needs to be the political appetite for it.

@Lifeisnteasy It was a bit of a miserable holiday with DD1 as she spent part of it in hospital and found it hard to come to terms with. But the positive thing is that both DH and I have close family members with T1, so we have seen first hand how it "fades into the background". Thanks for your encouragement! I was worried about her going back to school this week (first time since being diagnosed) but everything has actually gone amazingly smoothly so far - she had one mild hypo when she hadn't had enough lunch, but it was quickly dealt with.

[quote BewareTheLibrarians]@Lifeisnteasy

1. Ventilation as in air filtration, as already used in other countries. Cost thought to be around £200 per classroom (about £6.70 a child) which seems fair to me! Your mileage may vary.

1. All valid points about adults, but this thread and my post were about children.

1. Masks, yes. Upper primary, yes, younger than that I’m not sure, mostly as there aren’t a lot of masks that would fit on much younger children and the fiddling is crazy at the age. And they should be taking them off at break and after school!! (Unless they’re on a school bus.) Not claustrophobic for everyone, and plenty of studies showing that well fitted masks do reduce transmission.

I used to live in Japan though so I’m a bit biased having seen how commonplace and useful mask wearing was. They’ve also done really well at ventilation/air filtration in confined spaces. Their vaccination rate is also pretty good, and last time I checked they recorded 2 deaths nationwide. It can be done, there just needs to be the political appetite for it.[/quote]
Agree, encourage fundraisers for ventilation, I remember schools fundraising for CAT scanners.

Well pop on the thread about the vaccines causing menstrual changes and get concerned about that as well?

It's not either or, I care about women reporting changes, I believe them. I've filled in my yellow form to say how it affected me. But I also believe children should be allowed the vaccination if the parents wish.

I developed T1 as an adult after a viral infection. I don't think this is a new thing. I had also put myself under a lot of stress at rhe time.

Every so often, I have these awful "what if" moments, but life is just a bit rubbish sometimes.

I would say that sensors really are a game changer, I can't imagine an lived without one.

[quote whittingtonmum]We urgently need to make schools safer for example by installing air filters in every classroom. Please sign the petition here
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/595205

If you want to join a group of mums campaigning for clean air classrooms you can join us here www.facebook.com/groups/185770800399238/?ref=share[/quote]
You are making this same post again and again, on every single thread!

I'm not against it, but is this actually permitted?

It hasn’t been shown at all that any virus can trigger T1 diabetes. It’s primarily enteroviruses.
Vaccination can have an impact — risk seems to reduce 30% with rotavirus vaccination, for example.

[quote Jourdain11]@Lifeisnteasy It was a bit of a miserable holiday with DD1 as she spent part of it in hospital and found it hard to come to terms with. But the positive thing is that both DH and I have close family members with T1, so we have seen first hand how it "fades into the background". Thanks for your encouragement! I was worried about her going back to school this week (first time since being diagnosed) but everything has actually gone amazingly smoothly so far - she had one mild hypo when she hadn't had enough lunch, but it was quickly dealt with.[/quote]
@Jourdain11 have you looked into an insulin pump? Maybe you have family members who use one, but if not I recommend looking into it as they completely revolutionised my DC lives. Particularly DD who was diagnosed at 6 and had a rough few years before getting a pump. She now has 2 degrees, has represented university at sport and travels across the world on her own.

Glad to hear your DD is doing well , sorry everyone for the digression.