To be horrified at kids being 'labelled' like this ?

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DD senior school age goes back tomorrow - no exemptions and she will be masked up as requested despite my absolute disgust at the policy. The school has asserted that children with exemptions will need to provide proof and will be made to wear a badge or lanyard to show their exemption on school property and transport.
AIBU to be horrified that children will be 'badged' like this - surely not wearing the mask is sufficient to show their exemption for a policy that is advisory and with zero proof of efficacy ?

@dilly123

I have seen many posts removed that allude to someone being not clever or having mental health problems on the coronavirus board (like when I was called a dimwit)

Not really sure how you can apply the same logic to terms such as conspiracy theorist, when someone is indeed quoting conspiracy theories

As has been posted many a time, there are no issues with people posting things "against the mainstream", it's when they're posting things that are health misinformation that is problematic.

On this thread, many posters have explained why there is good evidence masks reduce tranmission, the OP just continues to ignore and only reply to posts that agree with them.

[quote PAFMO]@dilly123
Laughing wryly at your complaints that people are excluded from society when as a non-vaccinated, "I've never taken a test" "didn't wear a mask then, won't wear a mask now" loud and proud Covid denier, you don't even see how much you are part of the reason that children (CHILDREN FFS) are being asked to prove that they have a reasonable exemption from mask wearing.
You just don't get it, do you?
People like you refusing to follow regulations mean that people who actually can't, are asked for proof.
People who are vulnerable are still ("two years down the line" to quote another of your favourites as to why the regulations you have never followed don't work) scared to go out because of people like you, who could be infected, but because you've never done a test, you'd never know.

And you think you speak for a disabled child?

You speak for nobody. Except yourself.[/quote]
Never denied covid by the way just believe it's being manipulated for an ulterior motive.

As I've said 2 years down the line, my stance hasn't changed & no amount of berating will change it.. but in turn I respect others views.. majority of my family & friends vaccinated & wear masks no judgment from me & no name calling.. there is no changing the path we are on

[quote riveted1]@dilly123

I have seen many posts removed that allude to someone being not clever or having mental health problems on the coronavirus board (like when I was called a dimwit)

Not really sure how you can apply the same logic to terms such as conspiracy theorist, when someone is indeed quoting conspiracy theories

As has been posted many a time, there are no issues with people posting things "against the mainstream", it's when they're posting things that are health misinformation that is problematic.

On this thread, many posters have explained why there is good evidence masks reduce tranmission, the OP just continues to ignore and only reply to posts that agree with them.[/quote]
Just because something is not being reported on MSM or indeed censored doesn't necessarily mean it's just a conspiracy. The media is as corrupt as our government

Just because something is not being reported on MSM or indeed censored doesn't necessarily mean it's just a conspiracy. The media is as corrupt as our government

Uhuh, you seem to be reapeating what I said.

I said the issue is not views that don't agree with "the mainstream", it is posts that are literal health misinformation.

Think everyone is pretty aware that the government is corrupt and the media complicit 🤷‍♀️

Not trusting the ‘official narrative’ doesn’t mean that the likes of Piers Corbyn are right though.

@noblegiraffe

Think everyone is pretty aware that the government is corrupt and the media complicit 🤷‍♀️

Not trusting the ‘official narrative’ doesn’t mean that the likes of Piers Corbyn are right though.

Nor Mike Yeadon/Robert Malone/Peter McCullough and all the other groups that they seem to spawn

Twaddle like the OP is posting is also all over the Telegraph who give Us4Them regular column space so the idea that that sort of thing is challenging the official narrative or being censored in the media is pretty funny.

Misinformation is an online harm and the gov.uk guidance says that social media platforms have a duty of care to their audience. I find Mumsnet inconsistent. They sometimes are very quick to delete anti-vaxx posts, other times - not at all.
It concerns me is that - anyone who is vaccine hesitant and vulnerable, and reads these threads - and is swayed to make the wrong decision - could, in the long chain of events, cause someone to unnecessarily be in ICU.

I welcome debate in ‘normal’ times, but when things are pretty critical - we need a cohesive effort from all. And I think the best thing is to follow the NHS guidance.

School guidance/health guidance. These people are working damn hard - so why can’t we pull together and just support them until all this is over with??

Just obey the rules or dont send her in. It isn't rocket science.

@noblegiraffe

It’s not clear cut what - should/shouldn’t be censored. I firmly believe that freedom of speech should be censored when it causes harm to others. E.g racist speech, ableism, sexism etc. Speech about misinformation/fake news is relatively new and there are probably insufficient laws surrounding it at the moment??
It’s very difficult to judge what is harmful/what is not harmful - and too much censorship is clearly not a good thing either.
Perhaps it depends on people’s motivations?? A ‘sensitive’ subject should be tackled - so long as the end product of tacking that subject is positive and productive for all. However I’m not sure what the ‘aim’ of an anti vaxxer is? What’s their end goal? What concerns me is the highly individualistic nature of a lot of anti vaxx type ideals - extreme individualism = survival of the fittest/very right wing politics. Do people get pushed in this direction in times of hardship (perhaps without even realising) - and should we be be very, very mindful of that - potentially - being the resulting behaviour?

OP you are so wrong to state mask wearing is hysterical.

The pressure on the NHS is immense and you would soon be hysterical if you were having a heart attack and had to wait 5 hours for an ambulance.

As a mum to a SEN child I can understand your concerns OP. My son is only at primary though. I'm torn tbh, I agree it could single those out who are exempt, but at the sane time teens will be teens and plenty who are not exempt will not wear one and pretend that they are just to get out of wearing one. I think they're caught between a rock and a hard place. Ideally it will help teens get used to seeing the sunflower lanyard more and it will become more understood on their worlds. I wouldn't have a problem with my son wearing his.

Is the issue the labelling or the fact your child won't be able to fake exemption?

[quote PAFMO]@dilly123
Laughing wryly at your complaints that people are excluded from society when as a non-vaccinated, "I've never taken a test" "didn't wear a mask then, won't wear a mask now" loud and proud Covid denier, you don't even see how much you are part of the reason that children (CHILDREN FFS) are being asked to prove that they have a reasonable exemption from mask wearing.
You just don't get it, do you?
People like you refusing to follow regulations mean that people who actually can't, are asked for proof.
People who are vulnerable are still ("two years down the line" to quote another of your favourites as to why the regulations you have never followed don't work) scared to go out because of people like you, who could be infected, but because you've never done a test, you'd never know.

And you think you speak for a disabled child?

You speak for nobody. Except yourself.[/quote]
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@RJnomore1

It’s nothing like a blue badge. The car displays the badge not the child.

It’s important we keep an eye on how we are dealing with things like this as a society. The name calling is frankly awful though.

It's very similar to a blue badge. The badge is given to a person who is entitled to use a blue badge space. Without the badge, they can be challenged for parking in the space. The badge must be displayed while the car is in the space.

The lanyard must be displayed while in school to show they are entitled to not wear a mask. The lanyard must be on display while they are in school.

The badge is not displayed on the child it’s on the blooming car

YANBU.

I have 4 children at school, and am a TA.I think some parents don't give their kids credit. My children and all their friends have no problem wearing masks. If a child is exempt that is fine but moaning because they have to wear a lanyard really?

People like you refusing to follow regulations mean that people who actually can't, are asked for proof.
People who are vulnerable are still ("two years down the line" to quote another of your favourites as to why the regulations you have never followed don't work) scared to go out because of people like you, who could be infected, but because you've never done a test, you'd never know.

Brava, @PAFMO

Like it or not, we need to recognise that children mixing at schools are vectors of community transmission. OK, children aren't (generally) affected much by the disease, but those they pass it on to may become ill, or even severely ill.

If we want to keep schools open - and I think we all agree that is important! - then we all need to make some behaviour changes. Testing, mask-wearing, trying to cut back on unnecessary travel, mixing and so on.

I'm happy to adjust my behaviour to enable us to keep schools open, and I don't have skin in this game (no school-age children at home). Why aren't some parents also willing to do their bit?

In my children's school (in an EU country) all secondary children have been wearing masks since May 2020. Years 6,5,4 and 3 equivalents have been wearing masks since October 2021 and Year 1 and 2 equivalents since the start of December 2021. It has been accepted and everyone has just gone on with it. Schools have not shut down in large numbers. Specific classes or year groups have had to do some online learning but only for short periods. From an outside perspective the discussions in England about masks seem over-dramatic, over-emotional and bizarre. The aim behind mask wearing in schools is to try to keep them open as we are all still trying to catch up from the complete closure starting in March 2020 which, if not remedied, will have a more severe impact on our children than wearing masks for hopefully a few months longer in our case and for England a few weeks according to the hopes of the relevant English Minister.

Catmack - this is the same in my dd's EU school. When I asked her about exemptions she looked quite nonplussed. There don't seem to be any. I am sure somewhere there are people with genuine exemptions to mask wearing where I live, but I don't know anyone, and have not seen anyone at all in a shop or busy place without one since March 2020. It's mystifying to me all the hoo-hah there seems to be in the UK about this.

@user1471509171

I have 4 children at school, and am a TA.I think some parents don't give their kids credit. My children and all their friends have no problem wearing masks. If a child is exempt that is fine but moaning because they have to wear a lanyard really?

They have to wear a lanyard in order to mark them out so that they aren't hassled because of their inability to wear masks. The default position should be not being hassled! The default position in this crazy Covid society seems to be to disbelieve that someone is unable to wear a mask. So in order to cater for those who doubt, the child has to wear a lanyard. Why should they? The fact that someone takes that bizarre default stance is not the child's fault or problem.