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up to 90% in hospital ICU are unboostered.

74 replies

EleonorBronte · 29/12/2021 21:19

Last week the report said most of those in ICU were unvaccinated.
Seems like a drastic turnaround.
So double vaxxed people make up to 90% of those in ICU beds? All of a sudden?

Interested in people's thoughts on this manner of reporting. It's ok to urge people to get boosters but this seems off.

On closer research, it seems the majority in ICU are actually unvaxxed, so why this headline?

OP posts:
Fallagain · 29/12/2021 21:23

Where did the headline come from? What is the actual data?

AdamRyan · 29/12/2021 21:25

I got covid before Xmas- double jabbed and booster booked as soon as I could but tested positive 2 days before Sad I was pretty ill
I reckon there are probably quite a lot of people my age in that situation as they originally said 6 months wait between jab and booster
I also think quite a lot of people in my age group werevaxxed with AZ which appears to be not as effective - so maybe it's a perfect storm of increase in cases, ineffective initial vaccines and immunity dropped post 6 months

refraction · 29/12/2021 21:25

@Fallagain

Where did the headline come from? What is the actual data?
Boris J said it today.
LilyPond2 · 29/12/2021 21:25

I agree with you that the headline is misleading. The 90% figure will include people who are completely unvaccinated, as by definition people who are completely unvaccinated will be unboostered.

Woowoe · 29/12/2021 21:25

This is actually rubbish

Kate McCann (political correspondent at sky)
Tweeted earlier

Have asked No10 to clarify the 'up to 90pc of patients in ICU are not boosted' figure and spokesman for PM says this is anecdotal evidence from "some NHS Trusts" which Boris Johnson was reflecting.

Link to tweet
twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1476143761243656197?t=BnXcwDIimoVmWsbxS_SvBw&s=19

User2638483 · 29/12/2021 21:26

It’s sad but if Boris said it I think you should disregard it as unfortunately he has shown again and again that we can’t trust the words that come out of his mouth

Woowoe · 29/12/2021 21:31

Also the 90% of icu patients are unvaccinated that is being quoted endlessly is also untrue
The figure is 48%

Page 44
Link (but screenshot taken)

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/876791a8-e359-ec11-9139-00505601089b

They are telling lies

up to 90% in hospital ICU are unboostered.
Hotcoffee10 · 29/12/2021 21:32

Vaccinated are on average a healthier population than unvaccinated, you have to allow for that in data analysis as well.

EleonorBronte · 29/12/2021 21:33

@Woowoe

Also the 90% of icu patients are unvaccinated that is being quoted endlessly is also untrue The figure is 48%

Page 44
Link (but screenshot taken)

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/876791a8-e359-ec11-9139-00505601089b

They are telling lies

it is an urge to have the booster, true, but not a promising...method.
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Fallagain · 29/12/2021 21:33

Anything BoJo says I instantly disbelieve. He is repeatedly lies.

Woowoe · 29/12/2021 21:33

What boris meant was that one Dr had told him that his icu was 90% un boosted.

Reminder that to be fully boosted 14 days have to pass

Not the country
One random place

Lies

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 29/12/2021 21:39

[quote Woowoe]This is actually rubbish

Kate McCann (political correspondent at sky)
Tweeted earlier

Have asked No10 to clarify the 'up to 90pc of patients in ICU are not boosted' figure and spokesman for PM says this is anecdotal evidence from "some NHS Trusts" which Boris Johnson was reflecting.

Link to tweet
twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1476143761243656197?t=BnXcwDIimoVmWsbxS_SvBw&s=19[/quote]
That is a misreading of the ICNARC report - the numbers are down (in line with the general decline over the period).

This report is more recent than the one linked above, and gives the actual numbers in ICU by vaccination status

Unvaccinated 5065
One shot 377
Two shots 3151

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/596485d8-c264-ec11-9139-00505601089b

Woowoe · 29/12/2021 21:41

What's the point of giving someone a booster that the omicron virus has proven to evade
When the booster is the same jab that was made for The original wuhan strain

They tell us jab one and two aren't enough, so we must have the third

Whilst in Israel... the third is no longer enough and they are starting their fourth

Reports show the booster lasts 10 weeks

Omicron... a new word for tye Common cold

Fallagain · 29/12/2021 21:45

@Woowoe

What's the point of giving someone a booster that the omicron virus has proven to evade When the booster is the same jab that was made for The original wuhan strain

They tell us jab one and two aren't enough, so we must have the third

Whilst in Israel... the third is no longer enough and they are starting their fourth

Reports show the booster lasts 10 weeks

Omicron... a new word for tye Common cold

It is effective. Or at least the non astrazenca vaccines are but the effect is time limited.
Woowoe · 29/12/2021 21:57

Is it effective?

Delta was as deadly as the flu
Omicron as deadly as a cold

Praise the booster

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 29/12/2021 22:00

It's all lies and careful manipulation using words to push their agenda on us now. Boris is pushing for boosters so he can claim a price for the most extensive and successful booster campaign ever.

They're now saying 90% of patients don't have their booster. This was based on (from what I understand) a conversation Boris had with a single hospital or area. Not at all reflective of the entire country.

They're also not giving us the full pictures. How much does 90% actually equate to? Or the 'majority' that are unvaccinated? It could only be 200 in total which is minuscule. We really have no idea!

An NHS spokesperson has already come out this week and said that hospital admissions are actually relatively low, and that the strain put on the NHS is not because of patients suffering from covid (unvaxx'd or not), but is because of staff shortages due to employees having to isolate. She also went on to say that the majority of patients in hospital 'WITH' covid are not there because of covid. Instead they were admitted for other reasons and ended up testing positive when they were admitted.

The booster is ridiculous not for anyone remotely healthy. It's now been proven (after the government dismissed the claims from SA) that Omicron is very mild and like a cold. Do you remember the press conference where they were trying to tell us not to listen to that, and that Omicron was the most significant covid threat to us yet? It's not. It's now the equivalent of a cold. And I can guarantee 3 years ago most people would not be isolating for 7 days or not going into work if they had a cold. All of this needs to stop now. The booster was developed for the original strain which is now only 10% of cases, and decreasing even more every day. The booster also looses effectiveness at the 10 week mark. It's also been reported in a lancet study that after 10 weeks the viral load between a vaccinated and unvaccinated person is pretty much the same. The booster is there to prevent you from something as mild as a cold, so of course when people get omicron now they're all excited because it's so mild and it must be because of the booster..... or um - it could just be because the body variant is so mild! Loads of triple jabbed are getting it now.

The data from SA has also showed that their wave of omicron has peaked and they're saying people there faired pretty well due to previous immunity from Delta. In a country with much lower vaccination rates than the UK. Which I would assume means NATURAL immunity.

It has also been reported this week that getting omicron who'll help protect you against delta.

So much bloody confusing info. But a whole lot of scaremongering going on as well!

StartingGrid · 29/12/2021 22:01

I saw this headline and wondered where all the unvaccinated came into it too, massively misleading

BigBenji · 29/12/2021 22:06

@User2638483

It’s sad but if Boris said it I think you should disregard it as unfortunately he has shown again and again that we can’t trust the words that come out of his mouth

When I heard him say it, I thought he had said it in error 🙄

RoseAndRose · 29/12/2021 22:06

What's the point of giving someone a booster that the omicron virus has proven to evade

Because with three jabs only 25% have low/no protection, compared to about only 25% having good protection with fewer

Yes, some will evade regardless of number of jabs. But when you are looking at the large numbers of a whole population basis, that difference between 25 and 75 percent (ish) is really going to matter.

Riomama · 29/12/2021 22:11

@AdamRyan

I got covid before Xmas- double jabbed and booster booked as soon as I could but tested positive 2 days before Sad I was pretty ill I reckon there are probably quite a lot of people my age in that situation as they originally said 6 months wait between jab and booster I also think quite a lot of people in my age group werevaxxed with AZ which appears to be not as effective - so maybe it's a perfect storm of increase in cases, ineffective initial vaccines and immunity dropped post 6 months
This happened to me too- although I got covid mildly. But I tried to get my booster a couple of times and was turned away as I was not yet at exactly 6 months. A week before my booster was booked I caught covid- no idea how but assuming the vaccine was wearing off. Now waiting to get my booster which I should be able to get next week after the 28 days post infection has passed. I have heard a lot of people caught it just when the booster was due
Svara · 29/12/2021 22:13

What foes 'up to 90%' actually mean? That at one hospital it's 90% but at all others it's lower?

Woowoe · 29/12/2021 22:17

@Svara

What foes 'up to 90%' actually mean? That at one hospital it's 90% but at all others it's lower?
Yep That about sums it up
gogohm · 29/12/2021 22:23

According to the head of icu at my local hospital on local tv, 90% are unvaccinated - I'm guessing he spoke to Boris. There's more vaccinated people in hospital of course, these are only the really sick ones

SLH2003 · 29/12/2021 22:46

Hold up , I need to get my bingo card out.

Cattitudes · 29/12/2021 22:54

What boris meant was that one Dr had told him that his icu was 90% un boosted.

Nah, he was probably reading MN over Carrie's shoulder then when questioned he knew he had seen it somewhere because that figure has definitely been quoted here fairly recently along with a discussion on whether unvaccinted includes those with just two vaccines.