No new measures in England before New Year

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Has just been announced by the Health Secretary and reported across BBC etc.

[quote Zotter]If anyone interested v informative Twitter thread by CEO of NHS Providers on current hospital stats - encouraging, but won’t get clearer picture until next week and so still too early to say that we don’t need to worry about omicron and hospitalisations as some are implying. Finally, observes staff shortages might turn out to be biggest stress of the Omicron wave for NHS.

twitter.com/chrisceohopson/status/1475540046677790723?s=21[/quote]
This thread does discuss that there is quite a bit of incidental covid and not yet high numbers of respiratory pressure as I was discussing with someone upthread.

This would be very good news if it continues (there is no 'crosses fingers' smiley on here, I would use it if there were!).

[quote JanglyBeads]@Wednesdayafternoon I take it you haven't RTFT?[/quote]
Sorry what is RTFT? 🤷🏼‍♀️

RTFT = read the full thread

Read the full thread.

As in, read all of the posts before you post yourself.

I'm looking at it from the point of view of a successful vaccination and booster programme making a massive difference to the situation

I genuinely hope you are right, had all mine and happy to have another if neccessary.
We are already starting to see the impact of people with adult children who live with them, who have been socialising or working over the past week now testing positive and meaning NHS staff having to isolate. It isn't all about people becoming ill and needing beds is it ? it is also about having the staff available to cover wards and services.

[quote rrhuth]@Lifeisnteasy

So which wards would you want the covid positive staff to work on? Given a very high proportion of hospital appointments are taken up by elderly people, which services do you think should be covid-positive?[/quote]
On covid positive wards?!

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I think a lot of it is partly because they knew people wouldn't comply, people would still see their families and friends.

Or maybe they actually agree with the masses that after 3 shots and a mild variant we need to.get on with it, They’ve never been the doom mongers have they.

so all the shortages in staff (NHS including ambulance staff, firemen, transport workers school staff etc etc) will be covered by just retired & other volunteers who are just aching to return & not the slightest bit worried about their vulnerabilities
Irony alert

@mumwon

so all the shortages in staff (NHS including ambulance staff, firemen, transport workers school staff etc etc) will be covered by just retired & other volunteers who are just aching to return & not the slightest bit worried about their vulnerabilities Irony alert

Oh yes bet they are raring to go - can you imagine being in your 50s, having escaped teaching and then voluntarily going back because the new variant has taken out half the regular staff

If I were a retired teacher I think I wouldn't be giving the current government the time of day to be honest , but then they are probably much better people than I am and will re join the work place got the sake of the profession. I just hope they get treated well

@inigomontoyahwillcox

It is the worst possible scenario for hospitality businesses who were hoping to go ahead with their new year events.

I don't imagine that advice will actually change much at all.... How many people would have been planning to go clubbing on NYE but are now saying, "well, i didn't realise I might catch Covid in a club - I'm so glad I heard Sajid's advice for me to stay outside!"?

This from twitter sums up what I was trying to express about the pressures from people having 'incidental' covid - it all adds to the amount of resources covid takes up:
twitter.com/andymoz78/status/1475569739875459074

@the80sweregreat

If I were a retired teacher I think I wouldn't be giving the current government the time of day to be honest , but then they are probably much better people than I am and will re join the work place got the sake of the profession. I just hope they get treated well

I know many retired teachers.

They are all laughing at the government.

Think one problem we have with this government is their approach is what can we annouce, not what can we actually do to solve an issue.

So the announcement of getting retirees etc to come and volunteer is all that is needed, they do not care whether it actually works.

Also - like everything in the big society - there are more volunteers in the areas that need fewest as volunteering is usually done by wealthier people with time on their hands.

We will all wish there’s a morning after pill for all these celebrations.
While omicron is very mild thankfully, we are going to get hit by a big wave of shortages of all sorts, including food, and schools shutting because of staff shortage.
They should have used this time to make schools safer. No child should miss school!

Unless of course they scrap isolating individuals and letting it rip and accepting deaths as collateral damage oh but hang on wont the nhs get overwhelmed by doing this? No matter what way you look at it, we have a bumpy ride ahead.

The Government (despite having made various mistakes over the course of the pandemic) made the right call in July to open up, despite doom-mongers predicting a catastrophe. I hope they're going to be proved right again.... I have a feeling they will be, perhaps after a fraught for half of Jan, with Covid starting to fade in to the distance come February as cases plummet.

While omicron is very mild thankfully, we are going to get hit by a big wave of shortages of all sorts, including food

That'll be convenient for the government. Something to blame when the Brexit shit hits the fan in January.

@VaccineSticker

We will all wish there’s a morning after pill for all these celebrations. While omicron is very mild thankfully, we are going to get hit by a big wave of shortages of all sorts, including food, and schools shutting because of staff shortage. They should have used this time to make schools safer. No child should miss school!

Unless of course they scrap isolating individuals and letting it rip and accepting deaths as collateral damage oh but hang on wont the nhs get overwhelmed by doing this? No matter what way you look at it, we have a bumpy ride ahead.

Aren’t most of the shortages because of having to isolate not because people are too unwell to come in? You can be asymptomatic with Covid and not be allowed to work but teaching with a cold is fine.

Aren’t most of the shortages because of having to isolate not because people are too unwell to come in? You can be asymptomatic with Covid and not be allowed to work but teaching with a cold is fine.

Covid and colds are different though. Colds currently kill

Can't wait, we're making the most of it before they lock us up again. House party!

@rrhuth no, we know that more people are dying WITH covid, than people dying OF the common cold. I wish people could grasp the enormity of the difference here.

And mild doesn’t mean like a cold. I do know a few people who were asymptomatic or barely ill. I know many more who were definitely not fit enough to work during their isolation, a number of whom weren’t fit enough to go back to work after 10 days. And that’s before you get to the handful that have long covid or were off for weeks. None of them were hospitalised, all come under the umbrella of ‘mild’.

[quote gloriousgolden]@rrhuth no, we know that more people are dying WITH covid, than people dying OF the common cold. I wish people could grasp the enormity of the difference here. [/quote]
Do we really have to go through this again? It doesn’t make people look anything other than uninformed when they post this shit.

1. most of the covid deaths are of Covid not with it.
2. even the definition of with Covid rather than from is by it’s nature woolly, undefined and not easy to classify, so some of the with deaths that the NHS classifies might not have happened if it weren’t for the covid.
3. the same applies for admissions FROM and WITH Covid.

Also look at what the NHS says about the difficulties of making the distinction

twitter.com/victimofmaths/status/1471843587759517710?s=21

I can see why people find it questionable though. Take Colin Powell, who had multiple myeloma and was stated to have died from "complications of Covid-19". If he'd died with complications of the common cold, flu, etc. it would in the past have still been stated that he "died after a long illness".