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Do we all just need to get it?

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friedeggandsauce · 26/12/2021 22:13

So this new variant is really virulent, we went out just over a week ago and more than half our party of 12 have now got covid.

Thankfully no one is really ill with it, people have got a sore throat, bit of a headache, slight temp but nothing else.

So with that in mind (and I know there may be a few who get it bad) why are we isolating? Do we just need to all get it?

This isn't goady, we're all isolating and have taken the correct tests, just trying to see if this could just end (in an optimistic way!)

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VaguelyInteresting · 27/12/2021 12:55

@vickyc90

Judging by how the brexit referendum went that would only be useful if you wanted to
ensure the most batshit, harmful outcomes possible.

vickyc90 · 27/12/2021 13:00

[quote VaguelyInteresting]@vickyc90

Judging by how the brexit referendum went that would only be useful if you wanted to
ensure the most batshit, harmful outcomes possible.[/quote]
Im remain but respected others wanted to leave, so took steps to ensure we claimed EU passports due to family links. To be fair it's been a lot better than I though brexit would be

Wizzbangfizz · 27/12/2021 13:31

Well the good news is that it looks like Boris won't be imposing any further restrictions which is a relief.

dogwog · 27/12/2021 13:31

Nobody on here can challenge the official government narrative that we all must be boosted. Nor does mainstream media.It's a known fact omricon for the vast majority is no more than a cold and with the other variants 1 in 3 people were symptomatic. Surely now we should be concentrating on protecting the old and vulnerable with the boosters and encouraging the vast majority of the population to take some personal responsibility for their own health. Or do people want to take boosters indefinitely.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/12/2021 13:34

Have to say, one of the most exasperating and contemptible things about the bloody pandemic is the way some people (invariably those who have been awfully preachy about following the orders of our betters to obey 'the rules') have tried their best to frame getting covid as some sort of moral failure on the part of those getting infected.

Blubells · 27/12/2021 14:08

Nobody on here can challenge the official government narrative that we all must be boosted.

You can politely decline your booster. Nobody is forcing you.

TheVampiresWife · 27/12/2021 15:03

@AlecTrevelyan006

This, a million times this.

A few weeks ago on here I was told the reason I'd caught covid twice (and I'd be likely to catch it again) is because I probably indulged in 'high risk' activities. That poster had no idea whether I worked in a front line role for example, or was perhaps immunosuppressed (which I am). The fact I'd had covid twice 'when most people have managed to avoid catching it once' was entirely down to my own actions, according to them.

I wonder if they blame people for catching other illnesses, and see it as a failing if they do? Or is this reserved just for covid?

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 15:24

@Wizzbangfizz

Well the good news is that it looks like Boris won't be imposing any further restrictions which is a relief.

It is not much of a relief, really. He's made the wrong decision again to save his own position, nothing to do with giving a shit about any of us.

Blubells · 27/12/2021 16:05

Well the good news is that it looks like Boris won't be imposing any further restrictions which is a relief.

It's a huge relief for countless businesses, schoolchildren, self employed people, and probably a lot of other people.

VikingOnTheFridge · 27/12/2021 16:28

It's a huge relief for a great many of us, and he had no real option to do otherwise if he wanted to save his own skin. Both things can be true.

MarshaBradyo · 27/12/2021 16:31

I’m relieved to hear it

Lifeisnteasy · 27/12/2021 16:42

@rrhuth your comment, given the wishes of this thread at least, is quite funny

What would you want him to do?

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 16:46

[quote Lifeisnteasy]@rrhuth your comment, given the wishes of this thread at least, is quite funny

What would you want him to do?[/quote]
I would like him to listen to his own scientific advisors instead of Graham Brady.

Everyone knows he is making this decision for political reasons. If it aligns with your own preferences that means you have temporarily got what you want, but don't pretend he gives a toss about you, me, any business owners, any of those who will die as a result - he does not care about anyone.

If he thought it would politically benefit him to go the other way, he would change his mind in a second.

Lifeisnteasy · 27/12/2021 16:47

@rrhuth and what are the scientific advisors saying? Bearing in mind they do not take into account the economy, mental health, public services or any of the rest of it, their job is purely to focus on the numbers.

Wizzbangfizz · 27/12/2021 16:49

It isn't the wrong decision it is the right one for countless businesses - i feel for the folk in Scotland and wales I really do!

MarshaBradyo · 27/12/2021 16:50

I’ll take consideration of other factors at this point - mh / education / businesses

I feel for Wales / Scotland too. Very tough

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 16:51

[quote Lifeisnteasy]@rrhuth and what are the scientific advisors saying? Bearing in mind they do not take into account the economy, mental health, public services or any of the rest of it, their job is purely to focus on the numbers.[/quote]
Do we really need to argue this out? We will be going over old ground.

I think that the UK is taking the wrong course. Not because I don't care about the economy, or mental health, or public services - but because I believe all those things are more at risk with covid left out of control.

Johnson is a lying charlatan, if you are putting your faith in him that is sweet but foolish.

Lifeisnteasy · 27/12/2021 16:53

@rrhuth ok. Do you care to make a prediction as to where we will be in say, 6 weeks time? And we can revisit and see which of us had it right.

IcedPurple · 27/12/2021 16:57

I would like him to listen to his own scientific advisors

What makes you think he hasn't?

And while I hate to sound like I'm taking his side, as PM he can't only listen to 'scientific advisors'. He also has to listen to economic advisers, behavioural scientists, mental health experts and of course the electorate.

Everyone knows he is making this decision for political reasons.

No, 'everyone' doesn't know that.

There is simply no appetite for more 'restrictions' outside of certain corners of MN. Plus, unless you have access to data that the PM does not, there doesn't appear to be any reason for them either.

If it aligns with your own preferences that means you have temporarily got what you want, but don't pretend he gives a toss about you, me, any business owners, any of those who will die as a result - he does not care about anyone.

Of course he doesn't care. I'm not so naïve that I expect politicians to care about anyone other than themselves and their careers.

But he is right to resist the temptation to simply impose pre-emptive 'restrictions'. It may be doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't bother me.

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 16:58

[quote Lifeisnteasy]@rrhuth ok. Do you care to make a prediction as to where we will be in say, 6 weeks time? And we can revisit and see which of us had it right.[/quote]
Oh come on! Given the models are so uncertain, what would be the point?

Whatever my concerns, as a patriot I hope for as few deaths as you do.

VikingOnTheFridge · 27/12/2021 17:08

I'd care much more about Johnson ignoring his scientific advisors if the advice they were giving him was based on an understanding of the harms wrought by restrictions and involved weighing up the risks and benefits.

This isn't a criticism of any of them specifically btw, rather of people who imagine that only one part of the picture should be considered.

Lifeisnteasy · 27/12/2021 17:10

There are currently ~1300 hospitalisations for covid I believe.

That is 1 in every 42,300 people.

There are 141,000 hospital beds in the U.K., so currently COVID patients are taking up around 0.7% of these (if my maths is correct, always hit and miss)

By now, Christmas socialising (bar the day itself) will be showing itself in the numbers.

Omicron is widely believed to be milder than delta.

If our health service is under such strain that a fluctuation of less than 1% can bring it to its knees, then we have a big problem, and it isn’t covid.

Lifeisnteasy · 27/12/2021 17:12

@rrhuth I’m not hoping for ‘few deaths’, I’m hoping for quality of life and for the U.K. to pick itself up from the hole it has been in for 10 years, only made worse by the handling of this pandemic. I also care about children and young people, who should be prioritised over the very very elderly.

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 17:16

[quote Lifeisnteasy]@rrhuth I’m not hoping for ‘few deaths’, I’m hoping for quality of life and for the U.K. to pick itself up from the hole it has been in for 10 years, only made worse by the handling of this pandemic. I also care about children and young people, who should be prioritised over the very very elderly.[/quote]
Unfortunately I think you can go whistle for any improvements to quality of life with this government! I look forward to 50% increase in fuel bills next year, plus more Brexit damage, plus tax rises, etc., etc...

I also care about children and young people, not sure what is the point of even saying that. They will be badly harmed if Johnson's gamble goes wrong.

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 17:18

@Lifeisnteasy