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Do we all just need to get it?

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friedeggandsauce · 26/12/2021 22:13

So this new variant is really virulent, we went out just over a week ago and more than half our party of 12 have now got covid.

Thankfully no one is really ill with it, people have got a sore throat, bit of a headache, slight temp but nothing else.

So with that in mind (and I know there may be a few who get it bad) why are we isolating? Do we just need to all get it?

This isn't goady, we're all isolating and have taken the correct tests, just trying to see if this could just end (in an optimistic way!)

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Wizzbangfizz · 27/12/2021 10:22

But @firef1y that was case pre covid and pre restrictions - we can't lockdown forever - this is as good as it is going to get for those groups.

VikingOnTheFridge · 27/12/2021 10:22

Plus I'm pretty sure site rules is that you're supposed to report any concerns about socks/trolls to HQ rather than raise it to them yourself.

It's interesting though, this isn't the first example we've seen on here of a poster responding to the existence of multiple lockdown sceptic posters by alleging bad faith, organised activity etc. There really doesn't seem to be the realisation in some quarters that the mood is changing.

Itsnotover · 27/12/2021 10:24

@AnyFucker

Yes. But shield the vulnerable as much as possible.

Some vulnerable people don't know they are. That's the problem.

vickyc90 · 27/12/2021 10:33

@SonicBroom

Hmm quick pile on - anyone have any other usernames they can swap to?

I’m not moving any goalposts, I have nothing to prove to armchair experts and people who throw around insults for fun, mostly because you’ve already made your mind up on what you think and nothing will make you think otherwise. FFS people die of this stuff guys, but hey if you get your kicks this way then happy for you all.

People also die of the common cold, measles, Ebola ( the reason we have a vaccine so quick), chicken pox the list goes on. You are never going to get rid of all infectious disease and if you do it will knacker our immune system leading to more cases of leukaemia that then kills people.

Also if you want to play I can link you to multiple articles on the link between lack of disease and ALL in kids!

firef1y · 27/12/2021 10:37

@Wizzbangfizz

But *@firef1y* that was case pre covid and pre restrictions - we can't lockdown forever - this is as good as it is going to get for those groups.
Yes and that is my point.
SonicBroom · 27/12/2021 10:42

Also if you want to play I can link you to multiple articles on the link between lack of disease and ALL in kids!

Play?? You’re all as bad as each other. This isn’t some childish game where the winner is the one who scores the most points for themselves. Grow up.

The people who will get us out of this are the scientists, the pharmaceutical companies, the doctors and nurses, the researchers and everyone who is actually doing something to make things better so that it all ends as soon as possible. Yet their work is and will continue to be conveniently overlooked by people who’ll claim it proved them right, to score points for their game, and that it was always “just like the flu” in the first place.

The very worst of MN. There’s a reason they call it the vipers nest.

MarshaBradyo · 27/12/2021 10:47

The people who will get us out of this are the scientists, the pharmaceutical companies, the doctors and nurses, the researchers and everyone who is actually doing something to make things better

Yes they’ve been great. Tg for vaccines as we would be in a very bad way without them.

No it’s not a game, but I didn’t think what you said was correct.

I’m all for applauding those who the develop vaccines which are changing the situation- from repeated lockdowns which are hugely harmful to much lighter measures.

FourTeaFallOut · 27/12/2021 10:49

Yes. As good as.

Some vulnerable people don't know they are. That's the problem.

This is a problem for individuals. There aren't so many people sat on an undiagnosed illness that it swings the balance of risk assessment for society.

Shielding the vulnerable who want to be shielded (I don't, for instance, intend to shield again) makes better sense for a national tactic to reduce hospital admissions.

firef1y · 27/12/2021 10:55

Wish there was an edit function.

Personally I think a big issue we're facing now is that a lot of the population don't realise just how vulnerable some people have always been to what we consider minor illnesses.

There have always been people who could die from something that the rest of us would shake off within a few days. And there have always been times when the NHS is close to being overwhelmed with doctors having to make decisions about who needs an ICU bed more.
3 years ago, doctors were making those decisions about my then 8yo son. He had caught the same cold as the rest of his class, but while they all were recovered within days (and didn't even need time off school), his dose exacerbated his brittle asthma. A week later he still wasn't recovered, a few days after that he was blue lighted to hospital on continuous nebulisers. The paed wanted him to go to PICU but there was only one bed available with 2 children needing that bed. The other child needed it more, so instead he was put in a HDU ward with 1:2:1 nursing. There was still the conversation that he may need ventilating and which hospital he would need to go to if that happened (thankfully he finally responded to the huge amount of medication being pumped in to him.)

22 years ago his preemie (not yet at due date) brother had a cardio respiratory arrest, different hospital but exactly the same scenario. No space in PICU (or NICU), so he was put in a side room, this time with 2:1 care.

A couple of years before that older sister had exacerbation of asthma (RSV), no space on children's ward so transfered to a hospital 20 miles away (which having no transport was hard). If that hospital hadn't had the single bed left she would have had to go over 100 miles away.

In each of these cases the original illness was what we'd think of as a common cold, which ended up as a life threatening situation. The older 2 children had open access to the children's ward because they were vulnerable. But at no point have I asked the world to stop in case they caught a cold. I simply made/make risk assessments on the fly. And no i didn't stop them doing anything, I simply accepted the risk was there

dogwog · 27/12/2021 11:08

This virus is not going away. Some studies have suggested vaccines and lockdowns are prolonging the virus. Does nobody believe in natural immunity anymore? My family and I haven't had any jabs. Had covid in August, not pleasant but feel we have superior protection now to friends etc who are double jabbed and boosted and all getting covid now.

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 11:41

Shielding the vulnerable who want to be shielded (I don't, for instance, intend to shield again) makes better sense for a national tactic to reduce hospital admissions

Well, apart from the fact it doesn't work. Other than that, genius plan.

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 11:42

@dogwog

This virus is not going away. Some studies have suggested vaccines and lockdowns are prolonging the virus. Does nobody believe in natural immunity anymore? My family and I haven't had any jabs. Had covid in August, not pleasant but feel we have superior protection now to friends etc who are double jabbed and boosted and all getting covid now.
This is just anecdotal fluff, you have no idea how you compare to those people in scientific/health terms.
FourTeaFallOut · 27/12/2021 11:45

It doesn't work. You're right. And this is why I won't shield. But I think that it is helpful to eek out the period over which the cev are exposed to the virus and reduces the demand on hospital resources at any one time.

FourTeaFallOut · 27/12/2021 11:46

And are we ok with just being rude to people we disagree with now here? I mean, I'm happy to oblige if that's the tone we are aiming for.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/12/2021 11:52

I don’t think it’s a question of ‘do we need to get it’? But rather ‘do we need to accept that we’re going to get it’?

WrongWayApricot · 27/12/2021 11:53

[quote Dishhh]@vickyc90

Personally I think COVID has redefined how we live with chronic illness and potentially for the UK how we fund healthcare. I would love to see our response put out to an online public vote with scientist explaining the options to the general public. The most popular strategy is the one we stick with. But to do that we need the general public to be more rational about how long they can realistically expect to live and what quality of life they want.

Like some kind of gruesome game show?[/quote]
We can call it Coxit (up)

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 12:03

@FourTeaFallOut

And are we ok with just being rude to people we disagree with now here? I mean, I'm happy to oblige if that's the tone we are aiming for.
Honestly? I'm so tired of reading the same crap. It's been two years and 'shield the vulnerable' comes round and round.

A little light exasperation never killed anyone. You could shield yourself from it I guess Grin

FourTeaFallOut · 27/12/2021 12:05

I'm tired too. So I can just call you a coward, right? Suggest that people be a bit more stoic? We just sling mud and see where it goes?

FourTeaFallOut · 27/12/2021 12:05
Grin
coochyboochy · 27/12/2021 12:07

Abolish isolation completely. Let those people who want to shied, shield. Let the rest of us get on with life.

rrhuth · 27/12/2021 12:10

@FourTeaFallOut

I'm tired too. So I can just call you a coward, right? Suggest that people be a bit more stoic? We just sling mud and see where it goes?
I didn't call you a name, I discussed what you said.

You do not know if I am a coward or not.

HepzibahGreen · 27/12/2021 12:16

I think we will all get it at some point, just like you can’t really avoid getting a cold forever ( but you can take precautions like wash your hands properly etc)
What we really need is the government to sort out healthcare- which they have had a couple of years to be working quite hard on..
This seems the perfect time to implement an NHS tax (for front line services and staff not management projects) which I would pay happily rather than be endlessly restricted.

Lifeisnteasy · 27/12/2021 12:38

@coochyboochy

Abolish isolation completely. Let those people who want to shied, shield. Let the rest of us get on with life.
My thoughts entirely. I fundamentally disagree with the government curtailing the lives and basic freedoms of an entire country for a virus with a 99% survival rate which most of us have been vaccinated against, and the most vulnerable boosted. Its insane.
Blubells · 27/12/2021 12:47

We have to accept that we're all going to get it. Restrictions might slow down that process a little but we're all going to be exposed!

But this might be a good thing - omicron is milder than previous variants and therefore a relatively 'good' virus to get exposure to and build up immunity in society.

Blubells · 27/12/2021 12:48

Being vaccinated, exposure to the virus seems to offer better and longer lasting immunity compared to the 'boosters.