myocarditis and covid jab

[Trixiebell06]

Hi , my dd has just had the 1st covid jab , I’ve received a letter from the NHS to book a second one . I’m weighing up her catching covid & having the vaccine . My concern is myocarditis and covid jab . Will your teen be getting the second jab ?

@dementedpixie The "old news" you reference is important in understanding potential risks for children. I do not believe that all parents are aware of that case study investigating myocarditis and the vaccines, so my sharing of the article is an attempt to further that very important step in making any medical decision.

I'm not going to quote @peppathe3rd 's dubious links, as I've reported them to HQ. This poster is busy resurrecting vaccine threads and linking to dodgy as fuck organisations described thus:

"Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine propaganda and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines"

@PAFMO
The dodgy sources you reference are the CDC and FDA. Very odd and aggressive reaction.

When I took ds for his vaccines we were warned to look out for signs of myocarditis so the side effect hasn't been hidden. He was fine with both vaccines.

The Children's Defense group is as dodgy as fuck and responsible for much of the anti-vax rhetoric over the past two years.
As you well know.

Yes @dementedpixie - for me too

And when I randomly had chest pain last summer, my GP took it very seriously and the first questions she asked were about coronavirus vaccines & COVID infections.

(It turned out to be a stress thing - all fine now!)

@PAFMO Your tone is quite presumptuous. I most certainly do not consider the article to be "dodgy as F@%#," as you so eloquently stated. The content of the article is what matters, and you do not address that in any way. Parents should have access to informed consent before making such an important decision for their children. Why do you want to censor an article reporting on an emergency meeting between the CDC and FDA on the very subject of this thread?

But if you're after convincing people not to vaccinate:

A) you are about 18 months out if date, like the article you have found on Google from the dodgy as F anti Vax organisation which simply says "yes, there have been cases of myocarditis, yes, they are going to be studied"

B) Later, and more up to date studies on myocarditis (try Google again) have shown that the likelihood of it occurring as a result of Covid is higher than as a result of the vaccine and more or less the same as would generally occur spontaneously in the population with neither Covid nor vaccine involved. (Especially in teenage males) Unlikely to have long term effects in any of the 3 groups. Not impossible, but unlikely.

@PAFMO
Your tone is quite aggressive and presumptuous and does not further intelligent sharing of information. You literally cite "google," as your research tool - not exactly academic. I hope you do not feel the need to reply further.

I don't. The article (allbeit old and now overtaken by more recent research) references valid points.
The CD group however chose to publish that article in the hope of spreading fear among parents about the vaccine. As is its MO in general.
Why did you resurrect at least 3 threads today linking to this organisation? Any particular reason? You did, hopefully, know who and what they are and how they have long been discredited by the scientific community?

I pointed YOU in the direction of Google as that's clearly where you get your info from.

@PAFMO
Wrong again. Do you understand what presumptuous means? Kindly refrain from replying. This is wasting anyone's time who has the misfortune of reading this pointless back and forth. Thank you.

Last time I looked a poster who (under this username) has resurrected at least 3 threads on vaccines to link to an article from almost 18 months ago which may result in parents deciding not to follow medical advice doesn't get to tell me when, or to whom, I can post.

But, please, fill your boots. Link to something concrete, up to date, peer-reviewed and scientifically accepted as truth which says that the Covid vaccines are not recommended for children because of the myocarditis risk.
Off you pop.

We like to travel so my kids will be getting it.

risk of myocarditis worse with covid, so would rather lessen their chances of getting myocarditis AND covid from one jab 👌

I will...

Circulation publishes original research manuscripts, review articles, and other content related to cardiovascular health and disease, including observational studies, clinical trials, epidemiology, health services and outcomes studies, and advances in basic and translational research.

It is well respected and has been going for 71 years. They knew about the heart issues caused by the MNRA jabs from a study in 2021. www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

@Samarie123
Thank you for this article. I truly appreciate the ability to share information on this forum, especially when the discourse remains civil and respectful. I had not seen this study before now, so thank you for sharing it.

There were many threads on this when it came out @Samarie123 .

It is not a study - it is a conference abstract.

It has methodological limitations that means the conclusions being drawn are not valid. This is why there is a big amendment on your link saying "expression of concern" and "correction".

There are plenty of valid studies examining the impact of vaccination on cardiac outcomes, yet you choose to push something that scientists & clinicians have explained is invalid.

People did explain this to you at the time though.

Yes, thank you.
based on data which has not been validated in this population. No statistical comparison was done in this observational study.

In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group

My bolding.

I know there's been some comments about tones of posts & not getting a nice or open minded response etc etc

But it's because, for whatever reason, there's a sudden influx of posts making out of date claims that were made & debunked ~18 months ago.

There must be pages and pages worth of threads for example, on the circulation abstract, giving detailed & accurate information as to the issues, but now it's just starting again at square 1.

Why?

I'm guessing that we're coming into winter, boosters are due, cases are going up again, so the anti-vax lobby is chancing their arm again. One poster in particular (whose anti-vax rhetoric was deleted yesterday or the day before) seems particularly keen on scattergunning and resurrecting old threads with out of date and unverified "data".

@PAFMO
I would never feel comfortable swaying anyone in one direction or another in the vaccine debate. You seem to be comfortable with that awesome responsibility. I appreciate sharing information and learning viewpoints that I may not be exposed to. You seem to suspect some nefarious purpose behind the "anti-vax lobby chancing their arm again," as you wrote above. Your statement makes no sense by the way. Firstly, I am not an "anti-vaxer," and secondly what plot do you imagine is up our sleeves? I presume you are aware that deaths have been attributed to the Covid vaccines, and you never know who you are addressing with your harsh rhetoric. For people who have taken the vaccine, I wish you all the very best of health and longevity, as I imagine your decisions were made with the best possible intentions for yourselves and the community at large. For those of us who have chosen a different path, perhaps you can understand how ostracised and marginalised we have been, although, for me personally, my decision was made in the exact same way as I described yours. Imagine if the posts you reported and had removed yesterday could have led someone to important information for them? That is quite a burdensome responsibility you have assumed, and I wonder if you appreciate the weight of it.

Well said.

Well, both of you have had plenty of posts removed about vaccinations. All of which (at least the ones I reported) were either outdated hypothesis with no proven scientific data conclusions, stuff that you copy and pasted from known anti vaxxers, or links to organisations fuelling the anti-vax agenda.

I respect your right not to have vaccines. I'll report every lie about vaccines that you post.

Exploring the relationship between all-cause and cardiac-related mortality following COVID-19 vaccination or infection in Florida residents: a self-controlled case series study

floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/20221007-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccines-analysis.pdf?utmmedium=email&utmm_source=govdelivery