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myocarditis and covid jab

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Trixiebell06 · 25/12/2021 07:06

Hi , my dd has just had the 1st covid jab , I’ve received a letter from the NHS to book a second one . I’m weighing up her catching covid & having the vaccine . My concern is myocarditis and covid jab . Will your teen be getting the second jab ?

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MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 26/12/2021 22:40

www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/amp/

For those wanting info concerning getting COVID and vaccination effects on myocarditis

Hellocatshome · 26/12/2021 22:47

my dc need their education and the vaccine helps having less interruptions.

How does having the vaccination help there be less interruptions to education. They can still catch Covid they can still transmit Covid, we no longer have whole bubbles isolating. You no longer have to isolate if a member of your household has Covid.

Gigglebiscuit · 26/12/2021 22:58

Yes, my teen will be having her second jab as soon as she is able, in the new year.

It's something we've discussed and are convinced is the best thing for her health, and also those around her.

A girl in her class at school has long covid, has done for a year now. I would never want to risk that for my daughter. Her classmate still has not returned to school full time, and some days doesn't make it in at all. The effect on her life has been devastating.

CarrieBlue · 26/12/2021 23:00

You no longer have to isolate if a member of your household has Covid.

But you do if you have it and the vaccine reduces your chances of catching it in the first place. It also reduces the severity of an infection so less likely to have long covid. All helping to have less interrupted education.

SirVixofVixHall · 26/12/2021 23:10

My friend’s son (mid twenties) had myocarditis post vaccine . He is ok now, thankfully.
My teenage dd has had the vaccine and my younger dd is also having it. I am slightly concerned about the risk but as there is also a risk with Covid i am choosing to vaccinate.

Dishhh · 27/12/2021 05:34

@hamstersarse

A new study in Nature has just been released www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf

It states that the risk of myocarditis in young men is higher from being vaccinated with Moderna and on the second jab of Pfizer than from covid itself.

It doesn't suggest this in any way at all.

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UnmentionedElephantDildo · 27/12/2021 07:35

That linked (pre-print) paper does not say that.

It says that the risk of vaccine induced myocarditis is highest in males under 40, but it does not compare the rates to those from the wild disease.

BHF (which has had experts assess the range of published and peer-reviewed papers) says the rate of incidence of myocarditis rises from 1 to 2 per 100,000 following the vaccine. But that catching covid produces a rate of 18 per 100,000.

BHF aren't exactly neutral in this. They are utterly on the side of preventing cardiac issues. And so they recommend vaccination, including for young people.

Thievesoil · 27/12/2021 08:06

I think we have to consider age here. What is the risk of myocarditis to a young man from each vaccine, per dose compared to natural infection?

This will not be the same as the risk to a 70 year old.

Statements such as “the risk is higher with x” are meaningless without context

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 27/12/2021 08:16

Try the links from the BHF page, if you want greater granularity. Bottom line is that whatever age, the risks from the disease are many times higher than those from the vaccine.

trumpisagit · 27/12/2021 08:41

No, not at the moment.
I think we need to see how Omicron pans out for children. Are they going to need a booster too?
I also have boys (and therefore more risk of myocarditis).

Pettyargument · 27/12/2021 09:32

Surely if you’re in NZ your teens life is going to be massively restricted if they don’t get the second dose?

Pettyargument · 27/12/2021 09:34

Sorry I replied to wrong person pls ignore my post

middleager · 27/12/2021 09:39

My one teen has had his first vaccination. My other (15) due today as he had Covid in September, but am wavering as he's an adolescent male - so is his twin who's had it, but when he had his vaccine, I didn't know about Myocarditis.

But if you can still get myocarditis with Covid - and the vaccine does not stop you catching Covid (as I found out!) then aren't you risking it with both the vaccine and Covid?

cathyandclare · 27/12/2021 09:57

In the paper it says the risks are 'more evenly balanced' in under 40s:

The risks are more evenly balanced in younger persons aged up to 40years, where we estimated the excess in myocarditis events following SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 10 per million with the excess following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine being 15 per million.

CarrieBlue · 27/12/2021 10:09

and the vaccine does not stop you catching Covid

It can stop you getting covid, it reduces your chances of getting it.

middleager · 27/12/2021 10:13

@CarrieBlue

and the vaccine does not stop you catching Covid

It can stop you getting covid, it reduces your chances of getting it.

I caught Delta 12 weeks after my second jab though.
middleager · 27/12/2021 10:16

Sorry, I'm posting about the jab not stopping Covid as it seems an either or with this thread, that you can get myocarditis with both the jab and Covid, with some saying it's worse after Covid. But for some, we are vaccinated and we get Covid also.

middleager · 27/12/2021 10:19

I've had my third, booster, but I'm not an afolescent male, hence my unease at DS2 having his jab today. We will take him, but it makes me a bit nervous.

2boysand1princess · 27/12/2021 10:28

The vaccine significantly reduces the chance of catching covid. That’s what all studies have showed and that’s been the experience for the vast majority of us. Plenty of people have had lots of exposure to covid and not caught it due to being vaccinated. (Think about nhs frontline staff)
As for the myocardial issues, I know the risk is very low for individuals after 2 vaccines, however still awaiting for data on rates after the boosters.

Janesmom · 27/12/2021 10:31

Of course. Scientists recommend it.

I’m certainly not silly enough to put my own scientific judgement above that if some of the world’s most eminent virologists and other medical experts.

maddy68 · 27/12/2021 10:33

There is a much higher risk of heart conditions (and other organ failure ) from covid. Than from the minute chance of it from the Jab

Yes mine have had two Jabs (I don't live in the UK so they have had two jabs here since September

CarrieBlue · 27/12/2021 11:24

I caught Delta 12 weeks after my second jab though.

And I didn’t, so?

Northernsoullover · 27/12/2021 11:30

My son has had both. He's 16. He knew about the myocarditis risk and was happy to go ahead. No adverse effects.
My 18 year old is going for his booster this week. We felt that there was more predictability about a potential vaccine side effect than with a covid infection. Especially now omicron is hitting children harder.

Sonex · 27/12/2021 13:01

Both my teen boys have had both doses, no side effects at all except minor sore arm. I asked then to be aware of cheat pains or anything like that and, NADA. My friend dinhis PhD on myocarditis is men - but caused by alcohol - apparently it's a common side effect of alcoholism. I asked him about it early on and he said he wouldn't hesitate to advise his own teenage sons to have the vaccine as, the type of myocarditis that it very occasionally can cause is "the mild one that doesn't last and isn't really dangerous" - that was enough for me.