myocarditis and covid jab

[Trixiebell06]

Hi , my dd has just had the 1st covid jab , I’ve received a letter from the NHS to book a second one . I’m weighing up her catching covid & having the vaccine . My concern is myocarditis and covid jab . Will your teen be getting the second jab ?

I don't think it's yet clear how much one or two jabs prevent children catching omicron.

The original research linked to in the BMJ in pp was roundy discredited as flawed and extra paragraphs were added with the co-authors (Hoeg etc) defending their findings.
Generally accepted research findings have confirmed the opposite of the original flawed research.

More recent research is showing ongoing issues:

"We describe the evolution of cardiac magnetic resonance imaging findings in 16 patients, aged 12-17 years, with myopericarditis after the second dose of the Pfizer mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 vaccine. Although all patients showed rapid clinical improvement, many had persistent cardiac magnetic resonance imaging findings at 3- to 8-month follow-up." https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(22)00282-7/fulltext

Denmark is making the vaccine unavailable to under 18s and I think the world should follow suit. There is absolutely no reason for this age group to be vaccinated, unless they have severe underlying conditions.

Yawn. And yet almost a year down the line, neither have had any health problems whatsoever and go to the gym almost daily with no incidences of chest pain or any other health problems. One tested positive for covid for less that 24 hours.

Why do you think they were following up those particular 16 cases ..... because they had a side effect from the vaccination at the time.

Seriously, get over it, none of the three vaccines used in this country have any significant negative effects on anyone, over and above the usual background level of side effects that all medication has. My 11 year old has also since had it. Also no issues.

Why are you resurrecting 8m old threads still trying to scare people into not getting a vaccine? Weird.

No they're not. they're not bothering giving any booster shots to under 18s, same as here, because the vaccination program has been so successful. www.thelocal.dk/20220211/denmark-drops-covid-19-booster-jabs-for-under-18s-due-to-existing-immunity/

Boosters are currently offered to age 16+ in the UK I think. Dont know if they will change that here

No, not now - the earlier 1st and 2nd booster programme is now over (though in practice those previously eligible can usually still get one, esp at walk in vaccination centres)

The autumn booster jab is for the over 50s, plus

• healthcare and care staff, including unpaid carers


• those over 5 with certain medical conditions


• household members of the severely immune suppressed

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/how-to-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/how-to-get-a-booster-dose/#:~:text=You%20can%20get%20a%20booster,in%20COVID%2D19%20vaccination%20site.

Boosters are still available for age 16+

Yes she had it a few days ago. If you have had one, why are you now wavering?

Ok so slightly different angle here..

I have had Covid pre vaccine (March 2020) and got myocarditis confirmed via MRI scan. It was pretty bad, in that it limited me significantly for 6 months (also had long covid fatigue) but the heart pain was very scary and nobody believed it could be covid caused at that point until finally a decent cardiologist intervened. I was 37 at the time, very fit. Anyway my DD who was 10, I think also had myocarditis from Covid. I can't be sure but her symptoms matched mine identically for 3 months only I got an MRI and she didn't. Her's was milder but significantly reduced her ability to do anything active. She is usually super sporty.

Fast forward many months, myocarditis resolved for me but i then had 2 x pfizer jabs, first one mostly ok, slight return of heart pain but i was so terrified of having Covid again I went for a second. Myocarditis returned significantly, showed on another MRI scan 5 months AFTER the vaccine as still present and in a 'new area' from previous scan so it can really have been the vaccine as i hadn't been ill or had covid again. I have now been given an exemption and told no more vaccines.

There is absolutely no chance my DD is having the vaccine (unless she wants it at 16). She is 12 now. We have both had Covid since (her unvaxxed but obviously not naive to it), both ill but no flare of myocarditis.

Clearly this is one person talking here so this is not me saying this WILL happen to your child but as a parent who has a.) had myocarditis and b.) likely seen her daughter have it i won't be risking it. It was very scary to see her with 'heart pain' repeatedly over several months. Thankfully now she is recovered.

The risk of long covid is a worry for kids, my DD had that too but i still won't risk it. Has your DC had Covid OP? If she has I would be even less inclined to vaccinate personally.

@Sonnex

No, they aren't offering first doses to under 18s as standard now.

"Children and adolescents only very rarely have a serious course of illness due to covid-19 with the omicron variant, which is why the offer of primary vaccination for children between 5 and 17 years will not be a general offer, but can be given after a specific medical assessment, cf. the Danish Health Authority's guidelines."

www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Vaccination-against-covid-19

My 15 year old DS got pericarditis - not myocarditis, thankfully - after his second covid jab. He will not be having a booster..particularly since he already had a different vaccine autoimmune reaction a few years ago. He seems to have an immune system that over reacts to vaccines.

I haven’t for my younger three, 17, 12 and 10. Not because of myocarditis as it’s a fairly common post viral complication so covid or even flu could result in that. I simply no longer believe the vaccine is effective against the current strains. Not enough to tip the risk/benefit scale for me.

I'm incredibly pro vax and took part in clinical trials as did my husband, so it’s not a knee jerk decision. I just don’t see the data to support the prevention of severe illness from any of the Omicron strains. If a strain specific vaccine is developed (and I believe this is being worked on presently) then I’m more than happy to rethink. As of now it’s not worth it for our family at the moment.

Although my DD1 has had two Pfizer’s due to her work placement and DS1 has had two due to being in the army. Neither have had any issues but both have had covid more than once, one occasion being fairly severe.

I see the usual suspects are still promoting vaccine misinformation.

@hamstersarse - you must have had hundreds of posts deleted over the last two years, you'd think at some point you'd start getting your information from credible experts (i.e., those that have relevant experience & expertise).

People are paid good money to spread health disinformation - if you're not then I'd question why you're doing so much work for free....

Unpublished study on COVID-19 vaccine side effects for teenagers has been misrepresented online, fact-checkers say

twitter.com/i/events/1560438052316598272

Just out of curiosity, how old is your son?

DS 14 isn't having it. He's had covid which was extremely mild thankfully, he's had worse colds. He has SN so got offered it earlier i think.

I'm not having any further covid jabs, I've had 3 already.

That's from 2021. Why are you trotting out old news?

There's a myocarditis risk with covid. So you are already at risk of myocarditis. Having the jab brings further myocarditis risk. Increasing your overall risk of myocarditis, right? You can still get covid with the jab.

@toomuchlaundry right, and the jab does not stop you getting covid.

Ds1, who is in his late 20s, had myocarditis after his first jab, but got over it quickly and with no lasting effects. He went on to have his second jab and the booster.

I realise this is different because he was not a teenager, but I hope it may help you make this decision with your dd.

Being vaccinated reduces your risk of cardiac (and other) complications from COVID @bingbummy