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I met a real life full on anti vaxxer today

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shiningcuckoo · 22/12/2021 08:22

And some of her opinions were so out there and aggressive I had to walk away. Apparently if we hadn't vaccinated against measles we'd all be ok because measles provides immunity. And actually measles never hurt anyone. And polio never hurt anyone either. People being seriously ill was a conspiracy designed to get us to accept vaccines back in the day, al" heading towards the greatest conspiracy of all and that is population control and the existence of Covid. She apparently knows loads of "elders" who nursed people through polio. Apparently it's very mild. I asked her to define "elders" and she talked about my generation. My generation were vaccinated. No one had polio, never mind nursed others. And there is no Covid in Africa. And no Covid in Nepal. She knows this because she once went on holiday to Nepal. And she is applying to remove her children from Steiner to homeschool them because vaccinated teachers (it's mandatory here) are a poor moral example. Either that or are being forced . When I said that I didn't know a single teacher who had been vaccinated against their will (and I know loads having been a teacher for 20 years) she said that was just my opinion and one opinion counted for nothing. I had to leave her company.

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Doubledenimrock · 22/12/2021 11:21

The plandemic narrative is similar to many dooms day cult scenarios that's why I'm amazed folk cant see through it

HailAdrian · 22/12/2021 11:21

I also think there is a big difference between 'anti-vaxxers' and people who don't want the covid vaccine for personal reasons but don't care if others get it or not.🤷‍♀️

Actually, my opinion is that hardcore anti-vaxxers and those who mock and bully others for choosing not to be vaccinated are equally shitty. Stop pushing your views on other people!

Jesusstolemyhotrod · 22/12/2021 11:25

I know a couple of these from school. It's interesting that we're all sheeple, but they leap on every new conspiracy without question. 5g, chem trails, vaccine. And the nazi references, of course. From people who get their history from you tube.

Coffeepot72 · 22/12/2021 11:25

I work with an anti vaxxer. She is convinced she poses no risk to other staff, and also thinks that in a room of fully vaccinated people , she’s the only one taking a risk. Ok, so she would be at risk in that situation but surely so is everyone else, isn’t she more likely to pass it on than everyone else?

Doubledenimrock · 22/12/2021 11:25

I agree HailAdrian. It's not my place to influence anyone on these matters. SonI dont post anything to do with C19 of FB

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 22/12/2021 11:25

I don't know anyone who's had polio, but I had measles as a kid as did pretty much everyone at school, but then I'm 45 and MMR wasn't available when I was a kid.

However, I was chatting to my mum about vaccinations recently (she has her flu jab religiously every year and has just had her covid booster), and it turns out that she's not sure if I had all my jabs as a baby, and seems to recall refusing the whooping cough one for my siblings for some reason she can't remember!

So I've blithely gone through life assuming my parents gave me the maximum protection available at the time from nasties as a baby, and upon requesting my medical notes, it turns out I only had one set of jabs at about 4 months old and that was that! I asked my mum why, because I know she definitely not anti-vaxx, and she said 'I don't know we were probably just busy..'

So that told me Confused

DaisyNGO · 22/12/2021 11:29

I was thinking about this last night
I am/was only friends with one CT. For her, it's been a way of life for years - she loves this stuff. Maybe it's because you can bend it which ever way you like? If aliens don't visit us soon, there's a bigger conspiracy going on and she can get excited about that!

What I was thinking yesterday is how many of these people actually know that they love the drama - or would they really not give a child even a dose of Calpol?

Some people really get off on the survivalist stuff too.

If you watch some of the YouTube stuff, it's clearly all marketing and we're being trolled, surely? I don't think all the people who attend Flat Earth events actually think the earth is flat.

Similarly, I think some self described anti vaxxers are fully vaccinated.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/12/2021 11:31

@HailAdrian

I also think there is a big difference between 'anti-vaxxers' and people who don't want the covid vaccine for personal reasons but don't care if others get it or not.🤷‍♀️

Actually, my opinion is that hardcore anti-vaxxers and those who mock and bully others for choosing not to be vaccinated are equally shitty. Stop pushing your views on other people!

There’s no moral equivalence when one group merely causes feelings to be hurt and the other causes actual harm.
DaisyNGO · 22/12/2021 11:32

@Doubledenimrock

The plandemic narrative is similar to many dooms day cult scenarios that's why I'm amazed folk cant see through it
I don't know any doomsday cult narratives You mean collapse of society etc?

Kurt I'm 46 and I'm sure I had MMR.

CaliforniaDrumming · 22/12/2021 11:32

I do not engage with a number of people on MN because it is evident to me that they are anti-vaxxers. Just subtle obfuscating ones, quoting selectively from very long reports, while missing out important bits. And constantly repeating vaccine misinformation unobtrusively, so it becomes a truth repeated by other well meaning posters.

Thickasmincepie · 22/12/2021 11:37

I don't think the mmr existed for those of us in our 40s, did it? I had rubella one in school. I caught measles, mumps and chicken pox all before the age of 10.

PupInAPram · 22/12/2021 11:37

A group of these types hung around outside the school gates on vaccination days accosting children. Awful. Parents and teachers dealt with their arguments in a way that left them looking really daft in front of the students, which was very satisfying.

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 22/12/2021 11:38

@DaisyNGO if you're in the U.K. it was introduced in 1988, so not unless you had it at age 13?

DottyHarmer · 22/12/2021 11:40

Quite, @CaliforniaDrumming . And I don’t care how many times I have to repeat it (and how many times they complain) but they are keen to talk of “bullying” and their “mental health” to discredit other posters, whilst busily posting their, as you say, selectively edited, reports and graphs and drip, drip, dripping of misinformation.

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 22/12/2021 11:40

@Thickasmincepie

I don't think the mmr existed for those of us in our 40s, did it? I had rubella one in school. I caught measles, mumps and chicken pox all before the age of 10.
No, it didn't. It wasn't introduced until 1988 in the U.K.. and then it was only given to the same age group as it is now, so at 12-13 months old and then a booster at 3-4 years.
Christmasbird · 22/12/2021 11:40

After living in west africa for the last 18 months, I can confirm it very much does have covid 🧐

CaliforniaDrumming · 22/12/2021 11:42

@Thickasmincepie

I don't think the mmr existed for those of us in our 40s, did it? I had rubella one in school. I caught measles, mumps and chicken pox all before the age of 10.
Interesting. I was brought up in a "third world" country, am 50 and had the MMR plus polio and all the others. Seeing children walking about without limbs because their parents believed the anti-vaxxers does tend to make you quite pro-vax and intolerant of the idea that both "sides" are equivalent.
DaisyNGO · 22/12/2021 11:43

[quote KurtWildesChristmasNamechange]@DaisyNGO if you're in the U.K. it was introduced in 1988, so not unless you had it at age 13? [/quote]
Oh sorry
I remember now
I had rubella vax at 13 or 14, I remember having it at school
So the others will have been separate

I did have chicken pox as a child but I don't think a vaccine was available for that at the time.

cherin · 22/12/2021 11:44

One of DH’s friend is a brilliant mind. A very clever engineer working in IT and heavily science-based design for electronics. He’s also a liver transplant recipient and …batshit crazy antivaxxer. Most of the time he’s on Fb advertising marches against covid vaccine (he doesn’t live in the U.K.), he’s had covid and made it through, now he’s even more messianic about covid being a conspiracy and your body can fight it (“if his body managed to fight it!”) and it’s all about Big government imposing control over free minds. His friends in FB are all about procuring invermictin or whatever is the name of the anti worms drugs for horses….I am sincerely happy that he recovered, but also scared shit about the power of social media.
In retrospect, he always was a bit into “alternative” treatments (for the ailment which caused eventually his liver failure and then transplant), I thought it was very difficult to be his doctor- he was probably a bit too smart for his own good?

KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 22/12/2021 11:47

@DaisyNGO chickenpox vaccine isn't even part of the vaccination regime for kids now either, unless you take them abroad for it or pay for it privately I think?

I caught measles, German measles (rubella), and chicken pox all before I was 10. Fun times!!

HailAdrian · 22/12/2021 11:48

There’s no moral equivalence when one group merely causes feelings to be hurt and the other causes actual harm.

As far as I can gather, you can still catch and spread covid if you've been vaccinated. As for 'the unvaccinated' hogging hospital beds, this is debatable, at least on here.

itsgettingwierd · 22/12/2021 11:48

Also, I think people have somehow been socialised into believing that if you 'feel' something is right, then it must be true, even if all the evidence goes against it. So they can't be argued out of it because you can't argue with someone's feelings.

This is actually a really good point.

I've heard it a lot recently where people say "it's my truth".

They seem to think that if they say something everyone has to believe it and their thoughts, feelings and recollections of it.

WonderfulYou · 22/12/2021 11:51

There is no point in trying to have a conversation with these types of people. They want you to listen to their opinion but don’t want to listen to yours.
I actually feel quite sorry for them as you know they obviously have issues, whether that’s MH or just not happy lives.

I did see a group of them in town which were quite intimidating as they were shouting down megaphones telling us we are killing our children and had banners with dead children on which were apparently from the vaccine - they were actually pictures of children in a country with poor medical supplies so chances are if they’re not dead from famine or ware it would be from an illness because they weren’t vaccinated.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 22/12/2021 11:53

I work with one of the 'it's experimental, take vitamins, trust your immune system' vaccine refusers.
My immune system is entirely untrustworthy so forgive me for not having much time for that approach.

thatsallineed · 22/12/2021 11:53

There really are some numbskulls about, aren't there?