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‘Just follow the rules for a bit longer’

28 replies

Lifeisnteasy · 21/12/2021 15:28

Heard this a lot on here around 6 months ago. The vaccines were the way out apparently, we just had to wait until everyone who wanted a jab had one, then we were free. This week is depressing beyond words.

Anyone who said this care to comment now?

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fdgdfgdfgdfg · 21/12/2021 15:32

What exactly do you want us to comment on?

Those people were right at the time, things were improving and we seemed to be on the way out of it. And then Omicron came along and fucked us.

Do you think anyone is happy that we're back in the shit? Everyone has been muddling along the best they can for the last two years, making their best judgements with the information available at the time. Noone wants to prolong this shit, noone.

I don't see the point of this post other than to try and stir up more ill-feeling among people, and it's shit. Stop it.

valnevavaxx · 21/12/2021 15:34

Vaccines are still the way out- it's people not taking them up that are causing the lockdowns now, along with the government underfunding our NHS.

Akire · 21/12/2021 15:34

What’s alternative? No masks, mass gatherings everyone gets it over Xmas and NHS falls over because their staff also all off. Essential services struggle because so many people are off. No thanks

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Lifeisnteasy · 21/12/2021 15:36

No, I want people who persuaded others to reluctantly give up their summer pleasures because ‘we’re nearly there’ to now address the fact we have actually gone backwards.

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Comedycook · 21/12/2021 15:36

It's fine... we're just waiting for everyone to get boosted now Hmm

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 21/12/2021 15:50

@fdgdfgdfgdfg

What exactly do you want us to comment on?

Those people were right at the time, things were improving and we seemed to be on the way out of it. And then Omicron came along and fucked us.

Do you think anyone is happy that we're back in the shit? Everyone has been muddling along the best they can for the last two years, making their best judgements with the information available at the time. Noone wants to prolong this shit, noone.

I don't see the point of this post other than to try and stir up more ill-feeling among people, and it's shit. Stop it.

This.
madisonbridges · 21/12/2021 16:01

It is infuriating and bemusing. I've done everything I've been asked, 2 vaxes, 1 flu jab and a booster. But it seems that's still not enough and I have to stay away from people. Is this going to be the pattern for the next month, year, 10 years, forever? I just don't think this is living as I know it.

But, at the same time, I want people to get medical treatment and I don't want people to die needlessly. I don't believe scientists are lying to control our lives but they are by nature cautious and want to see all the facts before making decisions. I don't believe anyone is making or not making decisions because they want to the country a worse place. I think they're all trying to do their best to make the right decision. So I guess I'll follow the rules they lay out. However, I would like some information from them as to how long they think these lockdowns and restrictions can reasonably go on for.

MaxNormal · 21/12/2021 16:06

it's people not taking them up that are causing the lockdowns now

Evidence?

Advance · 21/12/2021 16:29

OP - check out the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Angry people who aggressively hold on to what that have been told is true, even when reality is obviously completely different, have to lash out at others so they don't have to do the critical thinking needed and admit they could have made a mistake.

Charles Mackay described a similar situation in his book "The Madness Of Crowds": "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one".

No judgement - it is a tricky situation - anyone who believes everything the government says is obviously not very clever but anyone who looks at data and tries to explain what is actually going on is branded a dangerous crank.

The Guardian's low quality journalism and lack of paywall has a lot to answer for in this mess!

valnevavaxx · 21/12/2021 16:33

@MaxNormal It’s been widely reported that the majority of people taking up hospital beds with covid are unvaccinated. If those hospital beds weren’t taken up as much then the health service wouldn’t be at breaking point and we wouldn’t need to lockdown- it’s pretty simple.

nordica · 21/12/2021 16:34

Lots of people have been saying a new variant was very likely to come along but if you dared mention that on here, you were immediately told to "get back behind your couch to cower" and that you were fear mongering. Hmm

It was quite obvious the winter would be more difficult, even without a new variant on the scene. However vaccines HAVE made a massive difference! Just look at the daily deaths this autumn and compare them to January. And we have been "free" for the latter half of this year with next to no restrictions.

MaxNormal · 21/12/2021 16:52

@valnevavaxx I believe it was said on GMTV without evidence but they had to retract after complaints of inaccuracy.

However if there are reliable figures rather than anecdotes that anyone can produce I would like to see them.

DottyHarmer · 21/12/2021 16:59

But we have a new variant!

When it was Alpha, and then we had vaccines, it looked like there was a blazing light at the end of the tunnel. But things keep changing. It seems impossible to predict what may happen. The virus might fade away, it might fell 90% of the population.

It’s so utterly pointless saying “But we were told….” “We were told vaccines were the way out….” “We were promised freedom….”

Omicrone · 21/12/2021 17:01

To be fair, it doesn't really matter now - obviously if hospitality and shops close then people can't go, but a lot of people won't be sticking to any 'rules' about household mixing etc any more. Just get on with it.

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 21/12/2021 17:09

This isn't a static, linear situation. It's not like planning a party where there is a defined set of objectives, budget and a deadline and once it's done it's done.

This is a changing and evolving situation. We now have the better part of 2 years data and we can see the trends. We know now that warmer weather and more outdoor activities brings about a reduction in transmission. Colder weather and more indoor activity brings about an increase in transmission.

We know that the vaccines reduce spread but more important reduce severity. That's obvious from the data, if we had the same number of cases last year as we do this year the number in hospital would have been much higher than it is now, this is evident from the images attached. We have higher cases now then we did and lower hospitalisations.

Huge proportions of the world are not vaccinated, but we have global travel so with virus mutations we will always be susceptible to new mutations entering the U.K. unless we lock down the borders which I don't think anyone really wants to do.

Historically we know that generally a pandemic has a 4-5 yr lifecycle.

Anyone who says that they can give an accurate end point of a few months from now with confidence is either deluded or a liar.

‘Just follow the rules for a bit longer’
‘Just follow the rules for a bit longer’
x2boys · 21/12/2021 17:14

People hear what they want to hear ,the government always said they might have to bring back restrictions if things went Belly up again ,whatever people may feel about the government ,they are not deliberately doing anything to spoil people's fun ,there has always been lots of twists and turns ,it's a virus 🙄

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Lifeisnteasy · 21/12/2021 17:16

@madisonbridges

It is infuriating and bemusing. I've done everything I've been asked, 2 vaxes, 1 flu jab and a booster. But it seems that's still not enough and I have to stay away from people. Is this going to be the pattern for the next month, year, 10 years, forever? I just don't think this is living as I know it.

But, at the same time, I want people to get medical treatment and I don't want people to die needlessly. I don't believe scientists are lying to control our lives but they are by nature cautious and want to see all the facts before making decisions. I don't believe anyone is making or not making decisions because they want to the country a worse place. I think they're all trying to do their best to make the right decision. So I guess I'll follow the rules they lay out. However, I would like some information from them as to how long they think these lockdowns and restrictions can reasonably go on for.

You’ve summarised my thoughts entirely. I don’t buy into conspiracy and I don’t believe it’s part of some sinister plot. But I think we’ve lost perspective now.
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x2boys · 21/12/2021 17:17

@Omicrone

To be fair, it doesn't really matter now - obviously if hospitality and shops close then people can't go, but a lot of people won't be sticking to any 'rules' about household mixing etc any more. Just get on with it.
Unfortunately we have too Both my kids tested positive yesterday 😭
PAFMO · 21/12/2021 17:18

@Lifeisnteasy

No, I want people who persuaded others to reluctantly give up their summer pleasures because ‘we’re nearly there’ to now address the fact we have actually gone backwards.
What did you give up in the summer? Did you miss Freedom Day?
StealthPolarBear · 21/12/2021 17:20

@x2boys

People hear what they want to hear ,the government always said they might have to bring back restrictions if things went Belly up again ,whatever people may feel about the government ,they are not deliberately doing anything to spoil people's fun ,there has always been lots of twists and turns ,it's a virus 🙄
The word used was 'irreversible'. Rightly or wrongly.
MousesBack · 21/12/2021 17:24

The Guardian's low quality journalism and lack of paywall has a lot to answer for in this mess!

What, because you get less sensationalism and a better standard of journalism behind the Telegraph's strict paywall?

Hmm
loveisagirlnameddaisy · 21/12/2021 17:29

[quote valnevavaxx]@MaxNormal It’s been widely reported that the majority of people taking up hospital beds with covid are unvaccinated. If those hospital beds weren’t taken up as much then the health service wouldn’t be at breaking point and we wouldn’t need to lockdown- it’s pretty simple.[/quote]
The health service being 'at breaking point' is not a consistent picture across the UK. Government data shows there is roughly 1/5th the number of hospitalisations now that there were in Jan this year. There is another thread doing the rounds of hospital staff talking about Covid cases and they are not consistently high. So, if that's the actual picture (not the one the media portrays where they conveniently only refer to London cases which are high), why does the whole country need to lock down?

valnevavaxx · 21/12/2021 19:06

@MaxNormal Apologies, I should have specified in ICU beds. Here you go. fullfact.org/health/dr-hilary-lorraine-kelly-90-percent/

MaxNormal · 21/12/2021 19:10

@valnevavaxx thanks, I've just had a read through but I still can't see a recent ICU figure at those percentages?

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 21/12/2021 19:16

I don't think anyone wanted the virus to mutate. Everyone is affected. Everything we had to do, we did it for hope of better outcomes.
It's no one's fault, really. I wish there are alternatives too. It's not just you who followed all the rules and disappointed by the current situation.
Just because it didn't go as hoped, doesn't mean everything we did was completely pointless.