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Three options on the table - a guessing game

173 replies

Fivemoreminutes1 · 20/12/2021 08:06

It's the question we're all asking - are new restrictions going to be imposed in England to control Omicron, and if so, when?
Quote from the BBC:
“Our chief political correspondent Adam Fleming tells us that civil servants have prepared a "menu of three options" that range in stringency, according to a Whitehall source. Ministers are yet to make a choice.”

Anyone want to guess what they are?

OP posts:
SpringRainbow · 20/12/2021 09:17

@AvocadoAndToast

I’ve read they are:

Guidance, but not law, to reduce contacts.

Limits on mixing, return to social distancing and hospitality to close at 8pm.

Full lockdown.

Johnson is currently supposed to be favouring option 1.

Isn’t option 1 what we currently have?
the80sweregreat · 20/12/2021 09:21

People won't stop mixing at Christmas though.
They have lost the public with that one
They might have more luck after Christmas.

worriedatthemoment · 20/12/2021 09:23

They won't do 3 as then don't have to pay
The fact that pubs closing etc at 8 will badly affect them and the staff they don't seem to care
If they ban household mixing im not doing it this time nor for xmas anyway , will in jan but not now last minute not if we are all well and our LFT clear

Whammyyammy · 20/12/2021 09:25

@the80sweregreat

People won't stop mixing at Christmas though. They have lost the public with that one They might have more luck after Christmas.
Why? Do the vaccines that were administered over the last 12 become ineffective after NYE?
the80sweregreat · 20/12/2021 09:26

It's just a plan to stop having to pay out furlough. The devolved governments have had some money given to them so there is some around.

Immaculatemisconception · 20/12/2021 09:32

@Thewiseoneincognito

We’ll be in full lockdown by January.

I know it’s hard for some on here to comprehend but Omicron has walked us back several steps, granted we’re not back at square one yet but we’re certainly nowhere near being able to put faith in the public to follow guidance by their own free will if cases need to come down rapidly. You only have to look at the toddlers on the won’t comply threads to see many folks can not be relied upon to do their bit for the greater good.

We won’t.
Dippydinosaurus · 20/12/2021 09:34

Lots of interesting press reports around this morning. Reading between the lines Boris favours option 1, SAGE report got pulled apart at the weekend by ministers and it took labour ministers to get plan B through parliament. Boris isn't going to get the support of Tory ministers for any other option than 1

Thewiseoneincognito · 20/12/2021 09:36

@Immaculatemisconception

We will.

Eternallyfrazzled · 20/12/2021 09:39

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potoforchids · 20/12/2021 09:41

I think he's leaving it too late to stop people mixing at Christmas. Many people have already travelled to where they will be spending it!

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 20/12/2021 09:45

@Dippydinosaurus

Lots of interesting press reports around this morning. Reading between the lines Boris favours option 1, SAGE report got pulled apart at the weekend by ministers and it took labour ministers to get plan B through parliament. Boris isn't going to get the support of Tory ministers for any other option than 1
This seems plausible to me.
EmKayEm · 20/12/2021 09:57

The shagging idiot has lost all moral authority in the country.
Party after party after party.
There is no way that they can impose a lockdown because there just aren't the police or military to enforce it.
I also doubt the will of the police or military to do the grunt work for a wholly incompetent and corrupt moron like Johnson, and his crew of make-weights.

PussyCatEatingPigsInBlankets · 20/12/2021 09:59

Option 1: Cheese and Wine;
Option 2: Hide under the stairs and hope it goes away;
Option 3: Make the tough decision your paid to...and make it before it's too late to have a real impact.

I think those are the options and I suspect I've put them in the correct order.🤦‍♀️

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 20/12/2021 10:06

@PussyCatEatingPigsInBlankets

Option 1: Cheese and Wine; Option 2: Hide under the stairs and hope it goes away; Option 3: Make the tough decision your paid to...and make it before it's too late to have a real impact.

I think those are the options and I suspect I've put them in the correct order.🤦‍♀️

Option 2 is hide in the fridge. Otherwise correct Grin
MarshaBradyo · 20/12/2021 10:10

Oh great

Really useful from them to let us know there are three

MarshaBradyo · 20/12/2021 10:12

@AvocadoAndToast

I’ve read they are:

Guidance, but not law, to reduce contacts.

Limits on mixing, return to social distancing and hospitality to close at 8pm.

Full lockdown.

Johnson is currently supposed to be favouring option 1.

Avocado where did you read this? Thanks
MrsFrisbyMouse · 20/12/2021 10:17

Because they gave control back to ministers to vote on any restrictions - he would have to rely on Labour support to get anything more stringent through. The obvious answer was stricter measures during the last 2 weeks whilst the vaccination programme ramped up - but no-one was brave enough/politically foolish enough to do that. (I feel all the leaks to the press about covid violations have a very antilockdown agenda attached to them - to encourage non-compliamce by general public)

Really the spread is totally baked in now, and will only be intensified by household mixing at Christmas. Given the lag between infection and hospital admission we don't know what the effects of Omicron are yet. Given big rise only happened over this last week (and likely to continue and accelerate) We won't see the affect on hospital admissions for another week (just in time for Christmas) and (because Covid keeps people in ICU for a long time) any increase in death rates long after that.

This gamble on boosters is politically motivated.

They should never have had the rhetoric around freedom day, we should have had consistent messaging about masks and their vital role in public health. Using simple measures might have kept the daily high covid rates much lower, so that when Omicron hit, we had some wiggle room.

The vaccine programme has been amazing - but until the pandemic is over- it was never going to be enough.

Honestly what ever they decide to do is going to be almost impossible to implement.

Even just 2 household mixing at Christmas will encourage more spread - given the higher tramsmissability of this virus and the fact that most spread is between household contacts.

All we can hope is that the booster programme holds up, and that remaining people get a milder, non hospitalised case. But we just don't know yet. And even small numbers on a population level can cause huge health resourcing problems.

ballsdeep · 20/12/2021 10:20

Who is going to listen to a full lockdown though?

TheCloudsHavePassed · 20/12/2021 10:21

I think the mood has swayed today away from a partial or full lockdown. God only knows how option 1 can be the most sensible, but I think that's what he's going to go for now.

BernardsarenotalwaysSaints · 20/12/2021 10:22

Telegraph article on the 3 options.

I think he'll go with option one.

They can't close the hospitality sectors unless they're planning on an awful lot of people living off fresh air, or reinstating furlough (which I can't see the doing).

Remmy123 · 20/12/2021 10:22

There wil be a January lockdown

MissPeregrine · 20/12/2021 10:22

@Thewiseoneincognito good point!

Just where are all of these leaked photos coming from and why now?

TheKeatingFive · 20/12/2021 10:23

3 would prompt a leadership challenge, so not that.

Possibly 2, but only after Christmas.

1 for now.

TheKeatingFive · 20/12/2021 10:24

I expect the leaked photos are coming from back benchers.