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Sadiq Khan wants to limit indoor mixing but why is he not addressing the low vaccine rates in London instead?

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Jobconfused · 19/12/2021 19:03

In some areas of London the vaccine update is so low (think less than 60% of first dose and less than 20% booster), and significantly below the national average. Why is Kahn not addressing this and asking for further restrictions instead? He had the whole of 2021 to work on increasing the uptake amongst the London communities and now he is declaring a state of emergency. I don’t get it. What am I missing

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SpringheelJack · 19/12/2021 19:07

Guardian have just published pictures of BoJo and the missus lounging around the Downing Street garden enjoying a nice glass of wine with about a dozen other people back in May 2020 when you were only allowed to meet one other person from another household outdoors and only supposed to go int work if absolutely necessary. They'll try and pass it off as a work meeting, but my guess would be it just got even harder for them to impose restrictions on the rest of us....

the80sweregreat · 19/12/2021 19:08

The photo is taken very high up! My first thought was a drone ?
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the80sweregreat · 19/12/2021 19:10

It was May time that Dominic Cummings was at Barnard castle too
They clearly thought the lockdown was all over by then!

AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 19/12/2021 19:10

It's a good question, no idea what a garden party 18 months ago has got to do with low vaccine uptake in London though

I heard a doctor on the radio the other day saying that rates are going up but she wouldn't be drawn on why they are so much lower than the rest of England.

the80sweregreat · 19/12/2021 19:11

People are wary of the vaccines. That's the bottom line. They will not get it for love nor money !!

MatildaIThink · 19/12/2021 19:13

It is very hard to get the vaccine hesitant to take the vaccines, there is little he can do that will make any difference. The government could legislate some options, but even then it is not clear how effective they would be.

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Jobconfused · 19/12/2021 19:14

I think there is more that can be done to persuade those who are on the fence with the vaccine. This isn’t meant to be an anti antivax thread but why is anyone surprised that the infections in London are so high and hospitalisations are rising, given the disproportionately low uptake in London?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 19/12/2021 19:16

The low vaccination rate in London is being addressed. What makes you think it isn't?

anniegun · 19/12/2021 19:17

Op - you know both things need doing, the lack of take up of vaccines actually makes reducing contacts more important.

daisypond · 19/12/2021 19:17

My 20-something DD lives in London but can’t get her vaccines added to records here - she had her vaccines done in Europe. According to government figures, she is unvaccinated, which isn’t true.

ArblemarzipanTFruitcake · 19/12/2021 19:17

In my area, where it was low in particular communities, the NHS worked with community leaders to increase uptake - we have over 80% uptake now. Has anything like that been tried in London?

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/12/2021 19:17

@the80sweregreat

People are wary of the vaccines. That's the bottom line. They will not get it for love nor money !!

Well most people do so this is bollocks.

containsnuts · 19/12/2021 19:18

Most of the people not vaccinated by now don't want to be and they won't change their mind. I think we've hit a ceiling re uptake so focus is more on boosting those who want it rather than nagging those who don't.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 19/12/2021 19:20

There are many many people living and working in London who are not even registered with a GP that the number of unvaccinated people is much higher than the official data.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 19/12/2021 19:21

The low vaccination rate in London is being addressed. What makes you think it isn't?

How and by whom? The Mayor?

Claudethecat · 19/12/2021 19:21

They'll try and pass it off as a work meeting, but my guess would be it just got even harder for them to impose restrictions on the rest of us...

And that is why these pictures are being leaked I reckon.

the80sweregreat · 19/12/2021 19:24

It is not bollocks!
I've had the jabs , I'm not an anti vaxxer
I'm only going by my friends ( aged 50 plus) who are not vaxxed and never will be!
I know a few and they are wary of it

daisypond · 19/12/2021 19:25

I saw someone pleading with our GP receptionist on how to get his vaccines added to the NHS app a while back. He was American and was clearly going round in circles with no way to get his vaccine status acknowledged.

MousesBack · 19/12/2021 19:30

It's a State of Emergency. The clue is in the name. Limiting indoor mixing works now (or at least within the next week or two) and also works to stop vaccinated people getting Covid as well as the unvaccinated. Convincing unvaccinated people to take not one but two or three vaccines is a longer job, plus it's at least 2+ weeks before any vaccine starts to take effect.
I live in one of the boroughs with very low vaccination rates and it's not through want of trying or lack of availability, let me tell you that. Late night sessions, vaccines buses going to busy shopping centres, messages in native languages from prominent people in the community... they've tried hard. The plus side is that with less demand, they've got through the willing members of the community extremely quickly!

Ulelia · 19/12/2021 19:33

For those vaccinated abroad, the NHS app was updated last week to accept such vaccines.... BUT you have to go to your GP to show them your foreign certificates and have them added to the system. I don't really want to overload my gp further but did call to ask about an appointment. The receptionist was really apologetic but boosters take precedence then acute conditions, then chronic, then paperwork. She they can see me maybe at the end of January... so I'll he considered unvaxxed until then, despite being up to date, including my booster 2 months ago.

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Jobconfused · 19/12/2021 19:34

I get that it’s too late now to address the low vaccination rate but he had the whole of the year - I also live in one of those areas and have seen no measures to promote the vaccine. The emergency should have been declared over the low vaccine uptake before even getting to this situation.

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AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 19/12/2021 19:38

@MousesBack

It's a State of Emergency. The clue is in the name. Limiting indoor mixing works now (or at least within the next week or two) and also works to stop vaccinated people getting Covid as well as the unvaccinated. Convincing unvaccinated people to take not one but two or three vaccines is a longer job, plus it's at least 2+ weeks before any vaccine starts to take effect. I live in one of the boroughs with very low vaccination rates and it's not through want of trying or lack of availability, let me tell you that. Late night sessions, vaccines buses going to busy shopping centres, messages in native languages from prominent people in the community... they've tried hard. The plus side is that with less demand, they've got through the willing members of the community extremely quickly!

Is there any research on whether those who wont have the vaccine will abide by rules on household mixing?

It doesnt seem a wild conclusion that there might be quite an overlap of the non jabbed and those who don't stick to rules but it would be interesting to know if that's the case

Nonnymum · 19/12/2021 19:40

I am sure he is doing what he can to increase take up. But some people are never going to take it.
I'm not sure what else he can do. He can't stop the people who post false information on social media that would need a change in the law.

Tealightsandd · 19/12/2021 19:40

@Jobconfused

What you're missing is that there are two thirds of London who have had the vaccines. Many of them - millions - elderly and vulnerable.

When London's hospitals are full of the unvaccinated, all the other patients needing healthcare can't get it.

The millions of Londoners who have had the vaccine need and deserve protection. (Not that they're getting it - because, as has happened throughout this pandemic, any measures come too late for Londoners).

Meanwhile re the unvaccinated. There's only so much Khan can do. He's not got the power to bring in most measures, including vaccine passes. That's something that the national government controls.

TaraSiligel · 19/12/2021 19:41

Short of identifying the unvaccinated and shooting them with vaccines from tranquiliser dart guns, what else can you do? I have met a few antivaxxers. They're idiots. You just can't reason with them.

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