To think rates are going down because people are choosing not to have PCRs?

[Glassery]

Two of my friendship group have this weekend told me that they have symptoms, have got a positive lateral flow, but have decided not to go for a PCR test as a positive result means they would have to isolate over Christmas.

Instead they are going to carry on with their lives as normal for the next few days ‘because it would be a shame to have to make the children stay home’ with them.

Personally I think it’s a disgrace but anyway…

AIBU to think the drop in rates over the past few days is not because Covid cases are falling but instead because selfish people don’t want to isolate until 28th Dec?

I guess we will end up in lockdown again thanks to the people that know more from FB than the scientists. 5G and all that.

@jgw1

That is criminal behaviour angry

What law are they breaking?

Yeah just a phrase, chill.

I suspect there are plenty of people like me, but also plenty of people who have no symptoms and so don't get tested at all. If DH hadn't had a flight booked he wouldn't have done a PCR test and he would never have known that he had Covid as he had no symptoms at all. I wouldn't have known either as I am consistently a bit wheezy/sneezy/coughing and I'm not any more so now that I have Covid.

And yet another example of idiocy. Selfish prattery. No wonder the UK is in the state it's in. But it is ok, this poster has a cough anyway. ffs!!!!

@AlternativePerspective how would having a pcr change your experience though? Surely they'd say isolate at home? Is it just that you'd know when it got bad it can be named as covid rather than any other flu/illness?

Was just thinking again, say most people on MN are in top 5-10% of intelligence, you are obviously going to be shocked by people who ignore symptoms, don’t do PCR and think that because boris had a party it ok to ignore all the medics who are warning us.

@whenthedoveslie

I suspect there are plenty of people like me, but also plenty of people who have no symptoms and so don't get tested at all. If DH hadn't had a flight booked he wouldn't have done a PCR test and he would never have known that he had Covid as he had no symptoms at all. I wouldn't have known either as I am consistently a bit wheezy/sneezy/coughing and I'm not any more so now that I have Covid.

And yet another example of idiocy. Selfish prattery. No wonder the UK is in the state it's in. But it is ok, this poster has a cough anyway. ffs!!!!

Because the govt needs accurate statistics in order to fight this?

Two of my friendship group have this weekend told me that they have symptoms, have got a positive lateral flow, but have decided not to go for a PCR test as a positive result means they would have to isolate over Christmas.

That's just shocking. They know they have Covid and they're going out and about, infecting people? If someone dies or ends up with lasting harm as a result of their actions they deserve to be prosecuted.

So sorry, quoted wrong poster.

@whenthedoveslie what planet are you on to be so obnoxious?

My 5 year old coughs 6 months of the year and is permanently sneezy due to allergies. We test if there is any sign of it being worse than usual but it is very very feasible it will slip through with nothing worse than his standard.

The poster hasn't done anything wrong so take your judgy pants elsewhere.

@jgw1

That is criminal behaviour angry

What law are they breaking?

Are you joking @jgw1? All the high profile child neglect cases recently and you think refusing to get medical treatment for a very poorly child Is ok?

I agree with @whenthedoveslie

I think @ChangeChingyChange is going to have to NameChangyChange.
What an utter tool 🤯

@Settingsss

Erm cases do matter. Are people really this hard of thinking?

Not really. Sajid javid said this morning he estimated 250,000 people were getting it a day, the official number is a gross underestimate, not because of people are not testing properly but because lots of theses HAVE NO SYMPTOMS. Do we test how many people have the common cold? Of course not. Hospitalisations matter. And deaths. So many people are about to get ill, many without realising, that I really am not sure in the value of the daily figure

@seome1984

I wanted mine and dc positive case recorded so that we don't have to test again for 3months. It may also mean we don't have to isolate.

@seome1984 you still need to test if symptomatic, and isolate in same way as rest of population. The only benefit is not having to have a PCR as a close contact. Omicron has a very high capability in terms of reinfecting people.

[quote Senmumm2021]@whenthedoveslie what planet are you on to be so obnoxious?

My 5 year old coughs 6 months of the year and is permanently sneezy due to allergies. We test if there is any sign of it being worse than usual but it is very very feasible it will slip through with nothing worse than his standard.

The poster hasn't done anything wrong so take your judgy pants elsewhere.[/quote]
Same planet as you. I try to live responsibly though.

You the only person with a 5 year old?

Fucking do a PCR if you have tested positive with Covid via a LF. It is fucking simple.

What is clear from some of these posts though is that people are doing what the fuck they want and justifying it too.

@ChangeChingyChange

My daughter technically had symptoms for 2 days and I put my head in the sand to it. She had a runny nose and cough but she does have asthma. She's absolutely fine now though so I know its not covid and she's OK but lesson learned I should just do LFTs and accept the outcome instead of putting my head in the sand. I'm just desperate for her not to miss Christmas with the in laws which I know is silly really

Surely you should get her a PCR if she has symptoms. Is what you're doing legal?

Are you joking @jgw1? All the high profile child neglect cases recently and you think refusing to get medical treatment for a very poorly child Is ok?

On this occasion I wasn't joking. I just wanted to know which law had been broken that meant the behaviour was criminal. I am not a whole lot clearer now.

@Beseen22

I thankfully have avoided covid so far but I would absolutely want it on my medical records with a PCR. I guess if you had a quick bout then recovered quickly it probably wouldn't matter but if you do deteriorate you would require a PCR as an inpatient and it might delay your transfer to a more appropriate placement such as ITU or HDU (because you can't go to a covid ITU without a record of a positive PCR as other patients on ventilators (aerosol generating procedure) so you would be more at risk of getting it if yoy were negative. You wouldn't be able to go to a non covid ICU because you were experiencing symptoms and if you were to require intubation you would be at high risk of spreading to other patients so would require a documented negative PCR.

Also if you experienced any symptoms of long covid but didn't have a documented positive PCR the GP would have to rule out other causes first before managing the symptoms of long covid.

I've experienced test and trace when they phone about patients and I wouldn't have described it as particularly grilling.

@Beseen22 this is absolutely untrue. You’d go to critical care when clinically indicated, not when your PCR is back. Many people come to ICU straight from ED, and PCRs can take, as you’re aware, 24h. We’d not leave someone to die on a ward cos their PCR isn’t back. Face palm.

All areas of the hospital have colour coded systems based on likelihood of COVID. Patients are placed accordingly. ICU is no different.

What is clear from some of these posts though is that people are doing what the fuck they want and justifying it too.

They are learning from our inspirational leader.

My son has had a positive pcr and I've just had a positive lateral flow.
I was isolating anyway so will continue to do so, adding on 4 days so I'm now isolating until the 29th
There is no reason for me to pcr. I'm off work anyway on annual leave, my sons are off school.
So you won't see me in the official numbers but I'll add one on in my head when I hear tomorrow's reported cases

I pulled out of a social event recently because I didn’t feel I should go without a lft and I didn’t want to take one so close to Christmas. I don’t have any symptoms though so I don’t see anything wrong with this, as I’m basically doing what the gov asks me to do - minimise my contacts and de-prioritise unimportant events. I would not go out and meet friends without testing, so I would rather not go at all than test atm.

@jgw1

What is clear from some of these posts though is that people are doing what the fuck they want and justifying it too.

They are learning from our inspirational leader.

So you ignore the science because Boris is a prick? Well done you, that will show him.

@DramaLlllama

My friend has a very poorly daughter at the moment. Sickness. Temperate of 40. Lethargic, very poorly. She will not call 111 because she knows they will require a PCR. So she is refusing to get medical advice.

@DramaLlllama this is terrible. If this daughter is a child I’d be raising concerns. This wave has a relatively high number of children requiring hospital admissions.

@Congratulationsandcelebrations

My son has had a positive pcr and I've just had a positive lateral flow. I was isolating anyway so will continue to do so, adding on 4 days so I'm now isolating until the 29th There is no reason for me to pcr. I'm off work anyway on annual leave, my sons are off school. So you won't see me in the official numbers but I'll add one on in my head when I hear tomorrow's reported cases

No there is a reason to PCR! What is wrong with you? Without accurate data how can we beat this?

you're SUPPOSED to log the LFs! whether positive or not. Didn't you read the instructions?

I read the instructions and chose not to log my negative LFTs as I don't see the point. Why does anyone need to know? Positive is different obviously but negative seems a waste of time.