Anyone reluctant to have booster?

[Tallulahss]

I have had first 2 vaccinations and followed the rules since this all begin but all this mad panic about getting the booster NOW is not sitting easy with me, it's gone from u must wait 6 mths to everyone has to get it quick and I'm just not sure, any one else feel the same?

I had the first two but I don’t think I’ll be getting the booster. They keep changing the goalposts. We always knew there would be new variants but I wasn’t expecting to be told to have 3 vaccinations in a year. It just doesn’t sit right with me and statistically I’m not at risk of serious illness from covid. I don’t know anybody that’s been seriously ill with it.

@EnidSpyton thank you so much for the clarity and understanding in your posts. I couldn't articulate my own doubts about the situation because I can't think straight with all this pain, but you have said it beautifully.

'Boosted' posters take note - that was what this thread was started for. There are countless other threads extolling the virtues of your favoured approach. And many of you are claiming 'virtue' by the way, it's clear from the common insinuation that those who question this campaign must be mad 😡

Also I’m in London and it doesn’t feel like we’re in a ‘major incident’ although I do know of quite a few that have covid currently none are seriously ill

We need more information on

1. not just the antibody protection but the longer term T cell protection of the initial two vaccines

2. how mild omicron really is and whether it's possible to build natural immunity from being exposed to the virus

3. how long the (short term antibody) protection of the boosters last - 2-3 months?

[quote EnidSpyton]@wincarwoo

'The problem is we don't have enough people vaxxed to give us freedom.'

This isn't true.

The very small % of unvaccinated people in the UK are not the reason why covid is circulating at this rate. Scientifically that would be impossible.

Covid is circulating rapidly because of the lack of other measures besides vaccination. Vaccination does not stop you catching or passing on covid. So if you're vaccinated but a) not wearing a face mask b) not testing regularly c) socialising widely in unventilated spaces etc, you're going to be just as able to pass covid on to numerous people as someone who is unvaccinated.

This is why everyone needs to keep following other mitigation measures and stop acting as if the vaccine makes them a covid free zone. Without face masks, distancing, hygiene, ventilation, etc, we will be stuck in this position forever more. Vaccines are not a golden bullet.[/quote]
I agree with your other points however I wouldn't describe the number non-vaxxed as very small. It's 25%. Brazil is higher than us in the league table.

@Pumpkin5piced

Also I’m in London and it doesn’t feel like we’re in a ‘major incident’ although I do know of quite a few that have covid currently none are seriously ill

Well you wouldn't. It's being handled by the emergency services.

@Pumpkin5piced

I had the first two but I don’t think I’ll be getting the booster. They keep changing the goalposts. We always knew there would be new variants but I wasn’t expecting to be told to have 3 vaccinations in a year. It just doesn’t sit right with me and statistically I’m not at risk of serious illness from covid. I don’t know anybody that’s been seriously ill with it.

Ah bless "you weren't expecting to be told". Do you think anyone was? How does anyone know what to expect? Every single country is adapting as the virus mutates.

Get it. I had it 5 weeks ago. No issues at all.

@AD80

Yes. Mine will be way over 6 months. I had az in Feb and May. Had booster booked for early December and caught covid so waiting until early jan now. I have it booked again and I am so nervous! Worried about side effects etc.

You have to wait 12 weeks after catching covid. Well me and my ds do we were turned away on wed as had covid late September.

[quote baroqueandblue]@EnidSpyton thank you so much for the clarity and understanding in your posts. I couldn't articulate my own doubts about the situation because I can't think straight with all this pain, but you have said it beautifully.

'Boosted' posters take note - that was what this thread was started for. There are countless other threads extolling the virtues of your favoured approach. And many of you are claiming 'virtue' by the way, it's clear from the common insinuation that those who question this campaign must be mad 😡[/quote]
If not mad then pretty privileged. People railed against the smallpox vaccine in mid 1880s. It's now eradicated.

@wincarwoo The number of people who have CHOSEN not to have the vaccine is not 25%.

Depending on where you look for your statistics, the unvaccinated figure of a population can also include sections of the population who are not eligible to be vaccinated, such as under 12s.

Unvaccinated can now also include people who have had two but not three doses, again, depending on where you're looking for your statistics.

Outside of this, there will be many people who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons. People who have autoimmune conditions, people who have severe allergies to vaccine ingredients, etc.

Throwing around uncontextualised statistics to try and blame this latest situation on the very small number of adults who have chosen not to get vaccinated is disingenuous.

@Cherrytart23 it's 28 days from catching covid.

12 weeks is under 16s as my DD can't have hers until Feb now.

[quote EnidSpyton]@wincarwoo The number of people who have CHOSEN not to have the vaccine is not 25%.

Depending on where you look for your statistics, the unvaccinated figure of a population can also include sections of the population who are not eligible to be vaccinated, such as under 12s.

Unvaccinated can now also include people who have had two but not three doses, again, depending on where you're looking for your statistics.

Outside of this, there will be many people who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons. People who have autoimmune conditions, people who have severe allergies to vaccine ingredients, etc.

Throwing around uncontextualised statistics to try and blame this latest situation on the very small number of adults who have chosen not to get vaccinated is disingenuous.[/quote]
I don't agree. It's not disingenuous. The data is out there. We're hardly the UAE or even Portugal, Spain or Italy. What makes us so special?

No. I’m intelligent enough to defer to people more educated in this than me. Not that I give it no thought at all but I feel there’s no way I know better than the ‘experts’.

@baroqueandblue

Also - having a vaccination and a booster isn't bloody "virtue-signalling". I have had it to protect myself as I am high risk. I don't exactly walk around with a badge of honour hmm

It is on a thread specifically asking for replies from anyone reluctant to have a booster

@UnshakenNeedsStirring I'm so sorry to hear about the year you've had post-vaccination. Your response really resonates with me, that experience of having been permanently ill since the injections. Myself and a close friend have both been tentatively diagnosed (GP, pre-consultant visit) with post-herpetic neuralgia (amongst other things) and the thinking in both of our cases is that the vaccine reactivated the shingles virus. I originally had shingles over 25 years ago and it didn't leave me in agony for months like this.

Are you over your ear infection yet? It sounds like a nasty one, given that it affected you for so long. Hope you're managing OK

Yes, my ear is better now, thank you. But I need to book a hearing test as I have some loss of hearing. Obviously I am not doing anything about it atm as I am waiting for the christmas period to be over. But by god! what a horrible year Ive had. Its been one thing after another. I have never been so sick in my life.

@wincarwoo

Nonsense.

Despite not vaccinating under 12s, which other countries in Europe are doing, we're still one of the most highly vaccinated nations in the world. Check the latest WHO statistics.

@baroqueandblue

Also - having a vaccination and a booster isn't bloody "virtue-signalling". I have had it to protect myself as I am high risk. I don't exactly walk around with a badge of honour hmm

It is on a thread specifically asking for replies from anyone reluctant to have a booster

@UnshakenNeedsStirring I'm so sorry to hear about the year you've had post-vaccination. Your response really resonates with me, that experience of having been permanently ill since the injections. Myself and a close friend have both been tentatively diagnosed (GP, pre-consultant visit) with post-herpetic neuralgia (amongst other things) and the thinking in both of our cases is that the vaccine reactivated the shingles virus. I originally had shingles over 25 years ago and it didn't leave me in agony for months like this.

Are you over your ear infection yet? It sounds like a nasty one, given that it affected you for so long. Hope you're managing OK

Well no that's not quite true is it.

OP specifically asked "does anyone else feel the same?"

That question invites both those who agree and those who disagree.

You just simply cannot pose a question that has a yea or no answer on a forum and only expect the answers that agree with your opinion. There will always be people that disagree (81% of the UK population in this case)

@Pumpkin5piced

Also I’m in London and it doesn’t feel like we’re in a ‘major incident’ although I do know of quite a few that have covid currently none are seriously ill

The seriously ill ones are in intensive care units around the capital.

[quote EnidSpyton]@wincarwoo

Nonsense.

Despite not vaccinating under 12s, which other countries in Europe are doing, we're still one of the most highly vaccinated nations in the world. Check the latest WHO statistics.[/quote]
The point is that there are 25-30% not vaxxed that could be. That's a significant minority. And yes, yes some unable to have it bla bla.

[quote wincarwoo]@carrythecan You have seen the numbers? The government is trying to react to an ever changing virus which has never been seen before.
If hospitals are overwhelmed then yes there is a huge impact. Also people ill who are unable to carry out their essential jobs.

London is in "major incident" mode.

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Yes, I have seen the numbers, but we are not making things better by insisting everyone needs to be vaccinated.

There is a huge issue with the NHS but diverting resources and money to vaccinate those not at high risk to Covid is not the answer.

@SpookyScarySkeletons but it’s already happened to me. The AZ vaccine made me more ill then when I had Covid prior to the vaccine.

I know someone who has Covid now. Young fit and healthy male who got the first jab but never bothered going back for the second. He hasn't been seriously unwell but he was mildly unwell and now can't go back to work until he tests negative. He's going to have to manage on statuary sick pay so it's going to hit him in the pocket.

His girlfriend, who he lives with, has tested negative in spite of sharing a bed with him every night. She is fully vaccinated.

Get the booster.

statutory

Three text messages in two days last week from my doctors about the booster. Seemingly no way of opting out of further text messages.

[quote EnidSpyton]@wincarwoo

'The problem is we don't have enough people vaxxed to give us freedom.'

This isn't true.

The very small % of unvaccinated people in the UK are not the reason why covid is circulating at this rate. Scientifically that would be impossible.

Covid is circulating rapidly because of the lack of other measures besides vaccination. Vaccination does not stop you catching or passing on covid. So if you're vaccinated but a) not wearing a face mask b) not testing regularly c) socialising widely in unventilated spaces etc, you're going to be just as able to pass covid on to numerous people as someone who is unvaccinated.

This is why everyone needs to keep following other mitigation measures and stop acting as if the vaccine makes them a covid free zone. Without face masks, distancing, hygiene, ventilation, etc, we will be stuck in this position forever more. Vaccines are not a golden bullet.[/quote]
Whilst agreeing that vaccination PLUS mitigations would undoubtedly be even better, it's complete misinformation to state boldly that "vaccination does not stop you catching or passing on Covid"
Unless you want to be lumped in with the liars who spread dangerous misinformation about Covid and whose posts are thankfully deleted, you might want to ask HQ to remove your post.