Anti vaxx and cult like behaviours

[Newrunner29]

Ive been thinking about this i will say first i dont believe everyone who is 'anti vaxx' is nessassry in a cult. But ive been reading about anti vaxx movement using cult like behaviours and it makes sense. Giving people a sense of belonging, making them feel special, they are the select few who have the 'real knowlege' everyone else is the sheep etc. It must feel so enticing and with everything being so unpredictable with rising cases and worries of restrictions, to have something like this must gave a sense of stability. I do believe some anti vaxx people are 100% using cult tatics to get people on to the anti vax side. And also someone who doesnt believe they are in cult but desperately trying to convince people to join might be using cult tatics without even knowing it.
But obviously everyone who is anti vaxx isnt going to believe or even consider they r in cult or have been brainwashed or fed propaganda. Also what is the chance trolls are trolling people with purposely misinformation and disinformation to destabilise society to not take vaccine , like cyper attacking because obviously the less people vaccinated the longer this goes on.
But how would people even know?

My therapist told me they often start when the reality is too traumatic for an individual.

You sound extremely narrow minded and judgemental, expecting everyone to think like you or using this ridiculous they must be brain washed or part of a cult, its just laughable.
Believe it or not but there are alot of free thinkersout there that are not so gullible to believe everything they here from so called people in position., polititians, scientists, etc. They refuse to be spoonfed. Each and every person should be allowed to make their own personel decision of whether to be vacinated or not.
l have had mine, but l am not against anyone who refuses, same with masks, l choose to wear mine, but i f others don' t, l don' t judge them for it.

thousands of people up in London today (18th Dec) protesting against covid passports, many life footage on youtube

@Moonface123

You sound extremely narrow minded and judgemental, expecting everyone to think like you or using this ridiculous they must be brain washed or part of a cult, its just laughable. Believe it or not but there are alot of free thinkersout there that are not so gullible to believe everything they here from so called people in position., polititians, scientists, etc. They refuse to be spoonfed. Each and every person should be allowed to make their own personel decision of whether to be vacinated or not. l have had mine, but l am not against anyone who refuses, same with masks, l choose to wear mine, but i f others don' t, l don' t judge them for it.

Im not going to argue with u due to my earlier comments about it being pointless. But what i do find weird that 'free thinkers' dont ever consider. I totally get not trusting politicians does anyone fully trust them? Scientists thats where it stumps me. Being a Scientist isnt link to politics , its a very specific vocation which takes a lot of edcation and deep understanding and specific skill set. which average people just do not have. Scientist delicate their carers in it. Why would people first thought to not belive them. ?? Its like same as being a pilot is a specific set of skills. I wouldnt assume i can fly a plane. I would leave it to pilots.

Its not blindly following anything in life its using common sense to determine, im not a scientist i have no scientific background so im not going to assume i know more than them. And automatically not belive them.

And also this isnt about weather people should have the vaccine or wear masks. This is specifically about the concern that the anti vaxx movement could be fueled by cult like behaviours and the people who follow it could potentially have cult like thinking which obviously isnt good .

@Newrunner29 you're very good at expressing yourself. Ironically writing is a big part of my job and I have been unable to express this properly. So thank you!

I wonder if the whole division tactic was to create cult like groups.
Because it seems to me like there are two sides. The side all for the rules and the side against them. You cant say one is a cult without recognising that the other could also be classed as one when you really look at it. Basically, extreme views on each side.

It is hard to position yourself between them, without finding yourself being bashed from one side or the other.

The views the "anti vax" people have about the other side are exactly the same as the "Pro vax" and vice versa. Both sides are convinced that the other side lacks in critical thinking, are stupid, uneducated, sheep etc.

Its like two seperate timelines coexisting at once and clashing in their beliefs.

Excellent post @Potatodrivers, you've said just what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words.

Scientists thats where it stumps me. Being a Scientist isnt link to politics

I think you are extremely naive to blindly believe this. Science is massively intertwined with politics and economics, particularly so in this pandamic, where companies like Pfizer have huge advertising budgets, media influence and lobbying power. How the average person is supposed to wade through all this information and corruption and come to the correct decision is the real issue.

@LadyCleathStuart

My brother is very much like this. A doctor can tell him one thing but if a you tube video says different then he believes the video, every time. All of his family are vaccinated and none of us have turned into robots or dropped dead yet but still he belives all of the crazy conspiracies. With him I think its very much that he is a 40 year old rebel who just doesn't like being told to do something (he can't hold down a job for the same reason - despite being highly qualified).

I think there is also a very big problem right now in that the anti vaxxers said that the vaccines wouldn't stop restrictions and it has turned out that they were right about that one so now they feel vindicated.

The ones who said we'd be dead in January, April, September....what do they think now?

A lot of things are cult like in the world at the mo. Even queuing for the latest tech gadget strikes me as a bit cult like.

@Potatodrivers

I wonder if the whole division tactic was to create cult like groups. Because it seems to me like there are two sides. The side all for the rules and the side against them. You cant say one is a cult without recognising that the other could also be classed as one when you really look at it. Basically, extreme views on each side.

It is hard to position yourself between them, without finding yourself being bashed from one side or the other.

The views the "anti vax" people have about the other side are exactly the same as the "Pro vax" and vice versa. Both sides are convinced that the other side lacks in critical thinking, are stupid, uneducated, sheep etc.

Its like two seperate timelines coexisting at once and clashing in their beliefs.

But logically if one side has majority of experts coming to conclusion then isnt it natural to see that side as the 'right side' and surely u either have critical thinking or u dont. There isnt 2 sides of critical thinking? I dont belive anti vaxx people r stuipd uneducated sheep etc, i belive they have been brainwashed. If anti vaxx is using cult like behaviours to try and get people to agree surely that shows which is the 'right' way of thinking?

I’m double vaxxed, got my booster booked. But honestly at this point the people who sound most cult like are those who are testing to see if they have a virus while feeling perfectly fine, clamouring for lockdowns and vaccine passports and still going on about people wanting their lives back being “selfish” tbh.

Worshippers at the altar of covid.

@2020in2020

I’m double vaxxed, got my booster booked. But honestly at this point the people who sound most cult like are those who are testing to see if they have a virus while feeling perfectly fine, clamouring for lockdowns and vaccine passports and still going on about people wanting their lives back being “selfish” tbh.

Worshippers at the altar of covid.

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Thank you for your contribution.

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I don’t think what we’re currently experiencing is entirely manufactured. I don’t doubt ‘divide and rule’ exists amongst those who govern us but I think this particular situation has left them just as divided and they’re not in control of what’s arisen from it.

It doesn’t matter which side you look at both are populated with tired and scared people. That’s when a society is in danger of becoming volatile - indeed some quarters are completely fatalistic and are actively agitating for it. Take a look at Richard Fairbrass’s (right said fred novelty singer for those too young) Twitter. He’s definitely crossed the line into extremist and he’s not alone.

Volatile populations aren’t easy to control because it means they no longer put any value on what the government is providing. We’re much easier to control when we’re placated by consumerism.

Yeah just like the moon landings........

Been going on since the dawn of mass communications, only the anti vaxx nonsense is actually quite dangerous for some.

It would be much more complicated and cost so much more for this to all be some sort of hoax, hundreds of thousands of people would need to be in on it. Does anyone think there wouldn't be one whistleblower between them?

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Is that the Right Said Fred official one or does he have one I can't find?

@Cornettoninja

I don’t think what we’re currently experiencing is entirely manufactured. I don’t doubt ‘divide and rule’ exists amongst those who govern us but I think this particular situation has left them just as divided and they’re not in control of what’s arisen from it.

It doesn’t matter which side you look at both are populated with tired and scared people. That’s when a society is in danger of becoming volatile - indeed some quarters are completely fatalistic and are actively agitating for it. Take a look at Richard Fairbrass’s (right said fred novelty singer for those too young) Twitter. He’s definitely crossed the line into extremist and he’s not alone.

Volatile populations aren’t easy to control because it means they no longer put any value on what the government is providing. We’re much easier to control when we’re placated by consumerism.

Im not sure that is realated to what i mentioned on troll farms. The troll farm exsist in other countries. So other countries trying to destabilise our country. Nothing to do with our goverment.

Interesting point about giving people a sense of belonging. I have a friend who has become very anti-vax / covid denier

I really feel like she has brainwashed by a cult and most definitely fits the profile of somebody who is lonely and seems lost so needs a sense of belonging and the need to fit into a tribe.

She's very busy every day, trying to convert everyone around her via social media, whilst successfully alienating those close who are friends and genuinely care about her

There are pro vax trolls and bots, posts worded almost identically popping up on social media under multiple usernames.

@Newrunner29 a strange one to consider is back in January/February 2020 people who picked up early reports of covid were the ones labelled as conspiracy nuts.

Thing is, imho, conspiracies are often not impossible and there are plenty of examples that litter history. I’m not sure what the difference is in being able to discern which are worthy of serious attention and which aren’t but I do know that I periodically check up on conspiracy theories relating to covid just to check whether there’s anything of substance. I wonder how many people actively force themselves to consider the opposite to their beliefs on a regular basis?

@EgonSpengler2020

Scientists thats where it stumps me. Being a Scientist isnt link to politics

I think you are extremely naive to blindly believe this. Science is massively intertwined with politics and economics, particularly so in this pandamic, where companies like Pfizer have huge advertising budgets, media influence and lobbying power. How the average person is supposed to wade through all this information and corruption and come to the correct decision is the real issue.

But the clear majority of scientists are not political motivated thats obvious! I dont need to wade through information on this. I have friends who are scientists i known they are not. Obviously me just saying this is just me saying it but still.

@Newrunner29

Im not sure that is realated to what i mentioned on troll farms. The troll farm exsist in other countries. So other countries trying to destabilise our country. Nothing to do with our goverment

No you’re right, I posted with control measures by our own government in mind not as a destabilising measure used by other powers. I’m too used to coming across those accusations!

@DaisyNGO it’s Richard fairbrass’s own account. I looked it up out of interest last year when he had covid and an article pointed out his stance (he insists that he was hospitalised due to a fall not covid and whilst he was there they found he was low on oxygen and he was supported with that. He’s completely unable to link the fall with the fact he probably fell in the first place because he was so low on oxygen).

Im not completely naive to belive every scientist/doctor doesnt lie for own benifits ironically andrew wakefield.