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Is it only unvaccinated people in hospital?

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newyorkbreakfast · 15/12/2021 22:13

Just wondering if there are any stats on this? Clearly govt doesn't release this info as they don't want folk to relax. However, I am wondering about the enormous flap over the new variant? If you've been double jabbed and /or boostered, surely you won't end up in hospital? In which case, the NHS won't be overwhelmed and we can treat covid at home like we would any other illness.
Or are there that many unvaccinated people that the hospital cases are rising for this reason alone?

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onlychildhamster · 16/12/2021 08:10

It's not just about who would end up in hospital. If everyone has covid even mildly, they wouldn't be able to go into work and then that would affect NHS staffing numbers and essential services. There would be reduced capacity in hospitals and elderly dying of non covid conditions.

NervousNoelle · 16/12/2021 08:10

It's not people ending up in hospital with Covid that is going to cripple the NHS, it's the staff having to isolate. Less mixing, less chance of catching it in the community. That's why the news is to be cautious.

TreborBore · 16/12/2021 08:13

Patients needing HDU support for COVID in the South West hospital near me are mostly unvaccinated people according to the GPs I interact with.

mrshoho · 16/12/2021 08:14

The 'flap' over this new variant is that it's going to lead to large scale staff absences in our NHS and other essential key workers. Even with a mild illness which is the hope with this one it could lead to high excess deaths. We are about to go into this wave with, at the moment, little social distancing restrictions. Many people will change their habits anyway, but it's a bit late relying on the booster as the virus is currently racing ahead.

TreborBore · 16/12/2021 08:15

Vital operations such as for cancer treatment are being cancelled now. Ambulance response times are much longer. Don’t have a heart attack at the moment…Bed blocking due to shortages of nursing / care staff are also a big problem.

Helspopje · 16/12/2021 08:16

It’s not just icu requiring admissions/deaths that people need to worry about
This is highly transmissible
You need 3 doses to provide anything like protection (75% quoted for mRNAx3, slightly less for AZx2, mRNAx1)
There are a lot of people coming in with an oxygen requirement. During previous phases our ability to provide O2 for all was stretched v thin with the VIE working well beyond capacity
Which ever way you look at it, this is going to be utter carnage.

doublemonkey · 16/12/2021 08:41

Those stats are meaningless. What are the people in hospital for?

Gingerbreadhoose · 16/12/2021 08:43

My BIL who is an ICU doctor says most of his patients in there with covid are unvaccinated.

Quire a few unvaccinated pregnant women.

dameofdilemma · 16/12/2021 08:52

As Chris W said last night, the percentage of men in the 40s-50s category with Covid is 6%. Before any vaccines were available it was 22%.

So three times more likely pre vaccines.

frozendaisy · 16/12/2021 08:53

OP you started by saying "clearly the government doesn't release any stats on this" when they had a Chris witty slide on national TV yesterday.

Then said you don't read, listen to media about Covid.

So which one is it? You don't read media or do any basic easy to find research, or you have searched for the information and can find none because "clearly the government doesn't release the stats"?

Or you just posted another boring Vax/unvax goady post for fun?

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newyorkbreakfast · 16/12/2021 12:30

@frozen I listen to Today and PM every day, but don't watch TV news. No mention on any of the radio bulletins that I've heard of what proportion of Covid-related hospital admissions are among vaccinated or unvaccinated people. That has been my experience of the news. Clearly there are other posters who have seen stats relayed to the public via TV news, and other posters who work at the frontline and also have useful input here.
It's just a discussion, not an attempt to goad, to use your word.
I was curious to hear from people out there who have insight. You don't have to participate if you think the discussion is boring.

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titchy · 16/12/2021 12:42

[quote newyorkbreakfast]@frozen I listen to Today and PM every day, but don't watch TV news. No mention on any of the radio bulletins that I've heard of what proportion of Covid-related hospital admissions are among vaccinated or unvaccinated people. That has been my experience of the news. Clearly there are other posters who have seen stats relayed to the public via TV news, and other posters who work at the frontline and also have useful input here.
It's just a discussion, not an attempt to goad, to use your word.
I was curious to hear from people out there who have insight. You don't have to participate if you think the discussion is boring. [/quote]
Then why would you say 'clearly the Gov doesn't want to release this information' when in fact you didn't know what has been released because you're not following it?

Aesop12 · 16/12/2021 13:10

@Whyevencare

In Scotland there are more vaccinated in hospital than unvaccinated.

Can you link to the whole page?

time4anothername · 16/12/2021 14:38

@Whyevencare

In Scotland there are more vaccinated in hospital than unvaccinated.

That chart makes it clear that the hospitalisation rate for those with 2 or more doses is much lower than the rate for the unvaccinated and appears to be improving (presumably due to boosters). Sadly 1 dose is not a great deal better than no dose from that chart too.

The poster who says you need to look at oxygen requirements is spot on too. South Africa have reported people going in for a few days for supplemental oxygen. These patients don't get reported as HDU / ICU but the hospitals still have limited supply and equipment to provide supplemental oxygen on wards that are requistioned to be Covid wards.

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newyorkbreakfast · 18/12/2021 13:14

@titchy here's an example of a typical report where it's not mentioned: BBC News - Covid: Action needed to limit hospital admissions - Sage scientists
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59707252
Hope you can see that link from BBC news app
I am following news as I say, but I personally don't think they very often or regularly go into detail about this.

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titchy · 18/12/2021 13:22

That's one BBC repot - they have made many many many reports. And the Gov has still made the information available, and media outlets have picked up on it. They're not really responsible for what you choose to read. That's on you.

titchy · 18/12/2021 13:22

Or maybe you think the Gov should tell the BBC and others what to report?

addictedtotheflats · 18/12/2021 17:05

I work in a&e and its a bit of both. Usually old vaccinated who are frail anyway but we are getting quite a few under 40 unvaccinated who arent very well needing CPAP. Then a load of unvaccinated who dont end up getting admitted who probably shouldnt have come to a&e in the first place. It is NOWHERE near as bad as last January, the vaccines are definitely helping

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