Triple Vaccinated and covid positive

[Laniey]

First vaccine: Dec 2020
Second vaccine Jan 2021
Booster: Oct 2021

Positive PCR today.

@justasking111

Well a link would be useful

Guessing maybe this one I haven't read it yet www.researchgate.net/publication/356756711_Latest_statistics_on_England_mortality_data_suggest_systematic_mis-categorisation_of_vaccine_status_and_uncertain_effectiveness_of_Covid-19_vaccination

Is this the Hart group statistician who manipulated data to say more vaccinated than non vaccinated had died from all causes but thr graph shows non COVID.
Maybe he thinks COVID doesn't exist.

@Northsoutheastwest76

Is this the Hart group statistician who manipulated data to say more vaccinated than non vaccinated had died from all causes but thr graph shows non COVID. Maybe he thinks COVID doesn't exist.

I don't think so its Queen Mary's London. I have no idea who the Hart group is though

@PavlovaTheRainbow

I think we’ve all forgotten just how ill people got last year. We were running out of oxygen as so many needed ventilation and leaving people at home until severely ill. If you have covid but are well enough to post on here the vaccine has worked.

The assumption you are making is that most if not all people who get Covid will die without a vaccine. That just isn’t true, but it’s certainly the line we are being fed.

@boogiebogie

'Vaccines seem to expose people to an increased risk of mortality, there is no short term benefit. ' queen Mary University london. 'Vaccines create a spike in mortality'. Not some anti vax nut... Professor ot statistics!

His graph shows an increased mortality rate FROM ANY CAUSE for vaccinated than unvaccinated. That's dodgy isn't it? Why not narrow it down to covid death rate only?

So all the elderly people and vulnerable people (who were most likely to bulk up the vaccinated group due to policy) died FROM ANY CAUSE, not narrowed down to covid (wonder why), are pushing up the mortality rate for vaccinated people i.e this is a manipulation of data designed to fool stupid people into thinking vaccines are pointless or even dangerous.

Basically, to give an example, loads of plus 80 year olds who were first in queue to be vaccinated so are more likely to be then, say, healthy 30 year olds, have died due to natural end of life span or because covid perhaps speeded up the process somewhat due to their vulnerability and the author of the research thinks this is valid enough to cast doubt on the vaccine. It's not.

twitter.com/_johnbye/status/1467113898256089096?t=mrudaJhVZZYlqw1HT3970w&s=19

My highly unscientific and entirely personal opinion is that the vaccines are a load of bollocks

@hipsalong. I’m glad you said your view is unscientific, hit the nail on the head there. Compare the hospitalisation and death rates among the vaccinated with the unvaccinated, and it’s clear that it is your personal opinion which is a load of bollocks.

These are first generation vaccinations, developed at incredible speed, and without them the depth of shit we would be in would be far, far higher.

@Wrongkindofovercoat

We have now hit a very similar figure to the highest peak in January of covid positive people, the big difference is hospital admissions and ventilated patients, these appear to holding fairly steady, fingers crossed it continues.

Yes this is exactly what the 'vaccines are bonkers' people seem to be forgetting. If we had no vaccines, where would we be?

And if this vaccine proves useless against Omicron, then there is validity in the gov trying to prevent spread by introducing some measures. Still, the true will remain that the vaccines helped us dull the effects of the previous variants on the population.

DH triple vaxxed, he got it and it was the mildest possible version. Only heard him cough briefly about 4 times a day and he had no other symptoms whatsoever. Hope you'll be similar!

@Northsoutheastwest76

Is this the Hart group statistician who manipulated data to say more vaccinated than non vaccinated had died from all causes but thr graph shows non COVID. Maybe he thinks COVID doesn't exist.

Yep. Looks like it.

@PavlovaTheRainbow

I think we’ve all forgotten just how ill people got last year. We were running out of oxygen as so many needed ventilation and leaving people at home until severely ill. If you have covid but are well enough to post on here the vaccine has worked.

This is a great post

@LookslovelyinSpringtime where did I make that assumption? Look back at March 2020, lots of otherwise healthy people were seriously ill, no one knew if they would be the one to become seriously I’ll if they got covid. It is now comforting to know that as I am triple jabbed the chances of getting a serious case of covid are very much reduced.

@howdiditcometothis666 he is a Part time lecturer and has a business in data but is also prominent member of Hart who have an COVID Denying agenda.

@hopsalong

I'm only double vaccinated and I have it now. Have had it before too, in March 2020 (at least, had positive antibody test in summer 2020). My highly unscientific and entirely personal opinion is that the vaccines are a load of bollocks. A vaccine against a single disease is meant to produce lifelong or at least many decades of total immunity from one, maybe two initial doses. We've accepted that the flu vaccine doesn't do this, but the different strains of flu are much more heterogeneous than the Covid-19 variants. And other than older / more vulnerable people no one used to bother with the flu vaccine anyway.

My new view is that anyone living a moderately normal life is just going to get it every year or two, as with the other endemic coronaviruses. Any other outcome is going to be extraordinarily difficult, perhaps impossible, to achieve.

Maybe you should tell all of those thousands of people whose lives they have potentially saved that 'vaccines are a load of bollocks'.

Moan by all means, but comments like that just show your ignorance of the situation.

DS had studio lecture on 20th so had to stay in university, they've thrown in the towel so we can pick him up earlier

One thing I don't understand is how people think thr vaccine hasn't worked if they are ill with COVID for a week or so at home.
It was always about preventing serious illness or death.
I remember a poster bemoaning the fact that they were ill for 2 weeks at home so clearly the vaccine hadn't worked. When pointed out it could have even worse the argument was that statistically the chances of serious illness is 1% or whatever. Complete denial that they could have been that 1% without a vaccine.

@Northsoutheastwest76

One thing I don't understand is how people think thr vaccine hasn't worked if they are ill with COVID for a week or so at home. It was always about preventing serious illness or death. I remember a poster bemoaning the fact that they were ill for 2 weeks at home so clearly the vaccine hadn't worked. When pointed out it could have even worse the argument was that statistically the chances of serious illness is 1% or whatever. Complete denial that they could have been that 1% without a vaccine.

It’s all guess work though. Without the vaccine this person might have had exactly the same reaction. The vast majority of people don’t end up in intensive care. They recover in their own.

It's been reiterated throughout that the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it but stops you getting such a severe case of it. I don't understand why people think otherwise.
Hope you feel better soon, op

I had Covid in Feb 2020 and it took weeks to get over. Really struggled with breathing for a week but didn’t feel particularly unwell just really bad cough and breathing. Lost my sense of smell for 3 months. Had vaccine in Jan 2021 ( frontline HCP) and booster in March. Caught Delta in September no respiratory symptoms just sinusitis and achy. Recovered in a week, lost sense of smell again but that was back within two weeks.
I would say that the vaccine works.
Just had booster and with recent natural infection I’m hoping my immune system is well primed and I’ll get away with a mild cold if I pick up omicron. But who knows? Having survived it twice I’m sort of hoping I’m not in the “surpasses” group.
More and more the evidence is emerging that it’s all about your genes,

Surprise not surpassing

@Angrymum22

I had Covid in Feb 2020 and it took weeks to get over. Really struggled with breathing for a week but didn’t feel particularly unwell just really bad cough and breathing. Lost my sense of smell for 3 months. Had vaccine in Jan 2021 ( frontline HCP) and booster in March. Caught Delta in September no respiratory symptoms just sinusitis and achy. Recovered in a week, lost sense of smell again but that was back within two weeks. I would say that the vaccine works. Just had booster and with recent natural infection I’m hoping my immune system is well primed and I’ll get away with a mild cold if I pick up omicron. But who knows? Having survived it twice I’m sort of hoping I’m not in the “surpasses” group. More and more the evidence is emerging that it’s all about your genes,

Why do you assume from that the vaccine works? You had Covid before the vaccine. You recovered. You had the vaccine and then got Covid again! You recovered. I don’t understand your logic.