Why is it acceptable to be angry with people who don’t want the vaccine?

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I’ve had both. I didn’t want them initially but after looking into it more, I decided to have them and think it’s the right thing.

But I would never be angry, rude, dismissive of someone who didn’t want the vaccine. I’m finding these discussions very draining - they happen at work, among friends, on the news. Whatever happened to allowing people to decide for themselves as to whether they want to book an appointment and have a needle injected into them?

Honestly, I don’t think it’s the right thing not to have the vaccine but i am astonished at how narrow minded people are that they cannot respect the decision of other people. I think if everyone backed off from blaming other people then they might find that more people DID end up having the vaccine.

Rant over!

and of course the current definition of "anti-vaxxer" is anyone who does not rigidly adhere to what ever the current line is.

As far as those with a phobia or a non-physical reason for not being vaccinated, just sedate them and jab them. Problem solved. Greater good and all that.

@kikipie

Strange this seems to be a British phenomenon. I live in a country with one of the highest rates of vaccination with virtually no whingeing and anti vaxxers. Also one of the highest rates of mask wearing, ditto virtually no whingeing and anti-maskers

I wonder why that is?

I think Britain had a great vaccine take up. It probably would have been enough without Omicron. MN is not very reflective of the real world.

@samyeagar

and of course the current definition of "anti-vaxxer" is anyone who does not rigidly adhere to what ever the current line is.

As far as those with a phobia or a non-physical reason for not being vaccinated, just sedate them and jab them. Problem solved. Greater good and all that.

Sedate them? Are you for real?

As far as those with a phobia or a non-physical reason for not being vaccinated, just sedate them and jab them. Problem solved. Greater good and all that.
This isn’t serious?

@PurpleDaisies

As far as those with a phobia or a non-physical reason for not being vaccinated, just sedate them and jab them. Problem solved. Greater good and all that. This isn’t serious?

I don't know the poster but I think the comment was sardonic rather than serious.

That’s why I asked. It’s sometimes hard to get tone from a written post. I’m sure they’ll clarify.

I used to think like you OP. Now I'm bored of the people that had to be different, had to be special. It's because of them all my Christmas parties have been cancelled. It's because of them I cant go on holiday this week as planned. I would never be rude to anyone to their face but (genuine medial exemptions aside) I am frustrated with them and I think they are both foolish and selfish if it's for spurious or bonkers reasons.

There we go, unpalatable for some, but I think you've got to accept it if you go against established societal norms. In the early days, fine, we're a year down the line now and I just don't think its justifiable any longer to prolong the disruption to people's lives.

They'd rather everyone just went ahead so that they didn't have to question their decision. this really isn't true for me, I havent had a single moment of doubt about my decision to have all three doses or to get my kids vaccinated. But I am scientifically trained so it wasn't intimidating for me - I do think we could have done a better job around educating people on how vaccines work in the early days to head off some of the "it's too soon" nonsense and misunderstandings of how clinical trials work etc.

As Sir Andrew Pollard, the Oxford scientist who chairs the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunology, has said “Covid-19 is no longer a disease of the vaccinated”.

The reason we're still in this mess is that people aren't getting vaccinated in large enough number, and they'll break the NHS. Most of the under-50s who died from Covid last month were unvaccinated. Three quarters of the patients in critical care beds had not been vaccinated, according to the latest data from July.

Vaccine passports are the way forward, (not mandatory). Experience abroad suggests that more people will turn up for their injection when their access to aspects of normal life is at stake. Several million additional French people booked their vaccinations in the week after President Macron announced that a health pass would be needed for most public venues and long-distance transport.

The people who brought omicron into the UK were all vaccinated.

If every single person in the UK who could be vaccinated was, things wouldnt be any different.

I'm not vaccinated and have no intention of being either. I've had covid, and didn't cost the NHS any money or take up a bed. I test regularly and am fine. Hth with some of the numpties on this thread.

I really think it’s terrible. People don’t ask whether you have had other jabs eg. If someone has not had mmr, would you allow them around your newborn?

People are hospitalised for far more self inflicted reasons than not taking the COVID vaccine.

If people wish not to take it then so be it. It should be a choice.

Sedate them? Are you for real?

Of course I do not actually think that, but that is barely a step beyond the rhetoric of the vocal vaccine proponents is it? Is it really that much of a stretch to believe that a lot of the people here would be perfectly fine with that?

If every single person in the UK who could be vaccinated was, things wouldnt be any different.

Scientists and evidence disagree with you.
As does my friend, who is an exhausted critical care Doctor in Manchester.

@Honeyhorse

I made a post a short while ago about being unvaccinated. I have a phobia of needles and medical procedures. I’m also scared of vaccines in general. I haven’t been to the dentist in over 12 years, I’ve never had a smear test. I find invasive treatments extremely triggering and needles are a part of that for me. I’m trying to get help with this and have a counselling appointment on Friday. I don’t think I have a low IQ and I’m not selfish, I volunteer for a mental health charity, as well as having ASD myself.

I always try to be a good person, but I feel like I’m going to be ostracised from society because I can’t physically have the vaccine.
To be honest it’s starting to make me feel suicidal. If you need three jabs to be fully vaccinated currently, if and when the covid pass happens, I’ll be unable to participate in my mental health voluntary work or meet my friend for coffee and cake because I assume I won’t be allowed in.

Even if I manage to find the courage to have one vaccine, I won’t be able to have the other two until spring at least, the thought of having three close together makes me feel very unwell and mentally, I’m not sure how I’ll cope with that. Then possibly by the time I’ve had my third , if I do, then there might be a fourth and so on, I’ll be forever catching up and missing out on the only things that keep me going in the process I know it’s my own fault for being scared / phobic but I’m starting to feel extremely low about it all.

@Honeyhorse we sound very similar I read your post with so much empathy. Like you, I never receive medical treatment. Also, never had a smear test. I think I'd literally rather die. Haven't been to a dentist for years etc. It's not your fault at all that you are phobic. Nor is it my fault that I suffer from anxiety and OCD. We have mental health conditions. Like you, I've found the narrative used against unvaccinated people devastating. As I like to be a good citizen, and also do voluntary work. Tbh, I've started lying, and telling people I've had the vaccine, because I can't cope with the judgement. I'm usually an honest person, so it's upsetting, but I'm trying to psychologically survive this awful time. I test once a week at least, double mask, and avoid crowded places. I wish people would accept I'm doing my best. But, it's all reduced to the vaccine. I can't bear it either. Take care, and know you have kindred spirits out there x

@Tootsey11

The people who brought omicron into the UK were all vaccinated.

If every single person in the UK who could be vaccinated was, things wouldnt be any different.

I'm not vaccinated and have no intention of being either. I've had covid, and didn't cost the NHS any money or take up a bed. I test regularly and am fine. Hth with some of the numpties on this thread.

This is like saying "Smoking doesn't cause cancer. My grandfather smoked 16 packs a day for 75 years and didn't get cancer."

Anecdata =/= evidence.

@samyeagar

Sedate them? Are you for real?

Of course I do not actually think that, but that is barely a step beyond the rhetoric of the vocal vaccine proponents is it? Is it really that much of a stretch to believe that a lot of the people here would be perfectly fine with that?

Yes, it is. The over-the-top hysterical posts do not do you any favours.

I didn't realise that people believed the pandemic would be over and restrictions would end if everyone was vaccinated. That explains a lot. I'd be angry too if I believed that.

@Honeyhorse and @WanderingFruitWonderer don't ever feel alone in how you are feeling.... there are several people who frequent this board who, myself included, are going through the same. No one chooses to be anxious, scared or phobic. It is not a case of just getting over it or, as someone in this thread actually said... "grow up".

As you have found, Honeyhorse, starting a thread about it just descends into arguments in the end. It is so hard to have a proper and constructive discussion about phobia without it getting horribly derailed

No one is going to change their mind

I just don't care if someone is vaccinated or not. I just wish they all respect each other and get on with life. Like if they impose vaccine passports or whatever, it's the consequence of their choice if they can't attend certain things.
Every one want this pandemic to be over, so if unvaccinated have rights to choose not to get vaccinated, then vaccinated should have rights to have relatively normal life with use of vaccine passports.

@TheDailyCarbunkle that does make some sense of the anger, yes.
I'm genuinely confused as to where people got that idea from though.

Thank you @XenoBitch. for you too x

I completely respect an individual’s bodily autonomy and if they choose not to have a vaccine, that’s all there is to it. I may disagree on a theoretical level but that never overrides a person’s rights to choose.

I disagree with a number of posters on here who spout utter tosh about unproven facts and try to dissuade others from being vaccinated by presenting false information. That’s not the same as someone saying “look I’m uncomfortable with this vaccine, so I’ve chosen not to have it”. I might not agree with their view but as I said, their body and their choice. It’s not my business.

@FedupOfMadnss

From what I can see, most of the vitriol comes from people determined to ram the vaccine mandate down peoples throats without accepting their particular choice in taking the vaccine isn't based on the same demographics of someone else. The reason the " experts " want everyone jabbed is the logistics/ cost of assessing everyones risk from covid without factoring in natural immunity is impractical so it's easier just to keep banging the jab everyone drum.

Healthcare is a nuanced individual state not a generic one where everyones best interest is to take endless vaccines for the "greater good" particuarly with the covid jabs which don't stop transmission. Why should young women take continual vaccines which as we can see from multiple threads even on this site create a lengthy list of side effects for many regarding a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission to others? I'm not sure how many times this can be said but it's worth repeating- as every doctor/ medical expert will verify , all of us will contract covid regardless of vaccination status. Repeat it three times in a mirror before screaming about " anti vaxxers " slowly... all of us wll get covid regardless of whether every living creature is vaccinated.

The second point trotted out is about the NHS being overwhelmed. It doesnnt matter how many times we can say the vast majority of people in hospital are there due to issues of obesity or alcohol related health matters compared to unvaccinated people. Apparently it's selfish to lead a lifestyle less likely to result in hospital admission taking a degree of persnal responsibility for health but a chain smoking heavy drinker eating crap all day getting no exercise is a selfless virtuous soul helping the NHS. It's so ridiculous it's hard not to laugh when the people purporting to be intelligent assuming anyone who doesn't want numerous injections for the forseeable future is a knuckle dragging tin hat donning trump supporter. The likes of @TheDailyCarbunkle and others quite rightly challenge this insane narative but shouted down by a few people who aren't particularly bright rabbiting on about tin hats/ selfish anti vaxxers.

tl;dr: bizarre nonsense.

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

If they don't believe in it enough to get vaccinated then do they believe enough to wear a mask?

In my experience so far ( retail) they don't

So why are they strolling around public places happily in ignorance? Putting the rest of us at risk?

Won't it be them more at risk if they've not been vaccinated rather than you who have been vaccinated?