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What IS the fuss about omicron?

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GingerHouse · 10/12/2021 19:47

In all seriousness, data shows that not a single person has died from omicron and that’s in countries that have low vaccine uptake too.

The virus is going to mutate all the time and as things are showing this variant is very contagious and the vaccine doesn’t work as well against it, but it’s mild to almost everybody.

I feel like this is mass panic and for what reason?! I understand wearing a mask where applicable to help reduce the spread but I just don’t get it! Is this going to happen every winter forevermore?

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Chachasha · 12/12/2021 01:15

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It's a valid point, how long do we wait. You'll realise we probably don't have a way to avoid chaos even if we don't lock down, yes? We're in a much stronger position to Delta though so there's more reason to take some tough measures with a prospect of a good return. We have great vaccines and a vaccine programme running well, much better treatments - everything we need except time, which we can buy to some extent and if the isn't reason we wouldn't is to avoid poor outcomes for education, the economy and the NHS, I can only say there's a misunderstanding somewhere about the potential consequences for not taking action. That said, I understand your position.

Chachasha · 12/12/2021 01:16

the reason

milkyaqua · 12/12/2021 01:20

What is the fuss about Omicron?

This week COVID-19 cases in Africa were up by 93 per cent, according to the World Health Organization

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/omicron-coronavirus-inside-the-research-lab-vaccines/100690964

Starcup · 12/12/2021 01:22

[quote megustalacerveza]@Starcup Good God...delaying it is the entire bloody point!!! We're not trying to stop it, we're trying to buy time while people get boosted rather than the entire country catching it at once and everything grinding to a halt![/quote]
and you think that when ‘everyone’ is boosted, that will be the end of it?? This had been the merry go round we’ve been on for 18 months!

Oh when there’s a vaccine and the vulnerable are vaccinated

Oh no, it’s when we’re all vaccinated

Oh no, we need a booster

Where will it end?! It won’t! Also there are many people that refuse the vaccines fit they’re human rights, so evert the fuck are the rights if every other Tom dick and Harry that have been vaccinated…. Before they declare another lockdown (which they will) the vaccine dodges should be made to stay indoors, instead of the majority

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ChilliGoat · 12/12/2021 01:24

@Starcup

**Nope didn’t suggest this. There is a whole world of nuance and varied mitigations between now and lockdown.

I don’t want a lockdown.

That’s why I’d rather act early with lighter measures to avoid a lockdown.

It’s the people who refuse lighter mitigations that keep landing us all in lockdown and i for one am sick of it**

It will speed regardless. It’s in the county, doubling every day or two. A full lockdown will contain in but not prevent it. It will just delay it. It’s the same old…..

You say you don’t want a lockdown but you do realise that’s what’s coming in January?

It’s like banging my head against a brick wall. Again.
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milkyaqua · 12/12/2021 01:26

Cases are up where symptoms are like those of mild flu, what's your point? Cases don't matter, deaths do

Cases up this fast shows a rate of exponential growth that is worrying.
Cases up, deaths follow. You're probably not up on the usual timeline of that though.

Starcup · 12/12/2021 01:30

[quote megustalacerveza]@Starcup Good God...delaying it is the entire bloody point!!! We're not trying to stop it, we're trying to buy time while people get boosted rather than the entire country catching it at once and everything grinding to a halt![/quote]
Mate, boosters will certainly help there’s no denying that, I’m all fit them, but if you think it will all be fine after then then you’re naive.

This is going to go on and on and on and I bet they’re is a lockdown.

StormyseasLater · 12/12/2021 01:34

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Starcup · 12/12/2021 01:38

@ChilliGoat

It’s like banging my head against a brick wall. Again

Hmmm I agree with you on that point but from a different perspective. It’ll be ok when we vaccinate the vaccine, everyone, boosters… it’s like watching your mate get cheated o time and time again yet they keep going back saying ‘but this times different…. 🤯

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Furries · 12/12/2021 01:59

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Ok forget about it being omicron or covid for a moment and imagine this - if 50% - for instance - of the UK all got ill at once, ill enough to take a couple of days off work, what would happen? Half of all of this not functioning - transport, hospitals, police, government, schools, shops, banks etc etc. So even a very mild illness, if it hits enough people with enough force all at once has the potential to cause utter utter chaos and societal breakdown. Remember it's not that half the hospitals would close and the other half would be fine it's that half staff of all the hospitals at every level are off which is enough to shut every hospital down because you can't run anything below a certain staffing level. A million cases predicted in a week. That's a terrifying rate of growth and so many people now not taking much notice. Death is NOT the only bad consequence of widespread illness!
There have been a few posts, but this is the one I found easily to quote.

For all of those chugging out the usual “only x% die and they are all old/have underlying conditions” crap.

The severity of this VOC is not yet properly known - there is nothing that can be done to speed up the capture of data. It is probably the best real life example of waiting for a kettle to boil ! And it’s worth remembering that Joe Public’s interpretation of mild is maybe different to that of those in the medical/scientific community.

But it’s looking fairly obvious with regards to how transmissible this is. So, it could be possible that we aren’t going to experience high levels of deaths (which many on here would wave away with “yeah, they were gonna die soon anyway”). But we could end up with large swathes of people unwell - not in hospital, but definitely not well enough to be working. And all happening at the same time, over a period of time. And this probably worries me more than I have been up until this point. Not because I’m a doom-monger. But because we’ve already seen how batshit things can get at the slightest whiff of uncertainty (hello, petrol “crisis”!). Imagine that, spread across normal, everyday life. Not thousands of lives lost every day, but a few weeks of many ordinary, everyday people being off sick at the same time.

Am I sick to the back teeth of all of this? Absolutely. Do I want more restrictions? No, I bloody well don’t.

But the possibility of this variant being so transmissible, even if it doesn’t cause huge numbers of deaths, is definitely a reason to be worried. The majority will likely survive. But how we all deal with the consequences is going to be very telling.

Schools breaking up for Christmas may help, but will probably be slightly hindered by festive celebrations. And in a few weeks there could well be multiple threads of complaints regarding reduced services across multiple platforms.

So, hopefully, there may not be large numbers of deaths. But there is a fairy strong possibility that everyday life will be impacted for a lot of people.

TheHumanExperience · 12/12/2021 02:02

@wonderstuff

It’s spreading very quickly and a proportion of people who catch it will get very poorly and need hospital. A small proportion of a lot of people is a lot of people. They’re predicting 1 million cases within a month.
Based on what evidence exactly? Have you been reading up-to-date data from South Africa? I imagine not with such a ridiculous statement. They test everyone who goes into the hospital for a procedure. At least 70% of people in hospitals were in for non-covid health care. The only reason they were found to have Omicron was incidental as there were no symptoms. How many of the cases had co-morbidities. In a country with such a low vaccination rate, the cases may be high but hospitalisations are very low (for Omicron), why are we scaremongering, when the UK is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. The latest Science (not that we follow it), is that the common cold virus, (for which there are 4 coronaviruses that visit us consistently), has merged with the virus and become dominant within the virus. This is why it is more spreadable and also why it is now a mild illness. We need to actually FOLLOW the Science, not just specific Scientists. The Flu disappeared last year and they stopped posting official statistics in October. I wonder if like last year, this year's Flu deaths/hospitalisations will be statistically classified as Omicron/Covid. In 2020, the WHO stated categorically that we have NO immunity to coronavirus; this was a gross misstatement. The common cold is a coronavirus and most parents will have a strong immunity to it, through all the snotty sick children they've cared for over the years. We have to stand back and do some critical thinking. Mixed messages do not help. I love to know what the modelling looks like to reach these astronomical figures. As stated in a recent documentary, these have always been so far out, the modelling is inaccurate to a fault. Valid sources for stats: www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ourworldindata.org/coronavirus www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights
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kittensinthekitchen · 12/12/2021 02:10

I wonder if anger management issues counts as an underlying condition. I can imagine many people with this issue have raised blood pressure at the very least.

Ah well, wouldn't be a loss. Everyone dies anyway.

Furries · 12/12/2021 02:15

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Please at least realise that there are thousands of people who rely on injections multiple times a day/week/month/year - don’t be so bloody rude.

And yes, there are studies regarding mixing vaccines. And no, I’m not pointing them out for you. They are easily found - reliable sources located b6 the wonder of Google.

One thing this whole shit show has made me realise is that I’m so glad that SM is such a new tool in everyday life. Because fuck knows where we’d be today if our parents/grandparents hadn’t gone ahead with vaccination drives in the past.

We can all, quite happily, sit here and bash away at a keyboard. And everyone has a right to an opinion. But those opinions, so easily accessible to pretty much everyone, can take on a life of their own. And if SM was around not that long ago then I think our lives could be very different today.

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Furries · 12/12/2021 02:35

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Erm, where I have I said that I don’t understand the issues facing children? I was asking you not to be so glib with your wording regarding people having multiple injections.

And what wtf do you mean that children are suffering due to my inability to take responsibility for my health ? I’ve got a very vague feeling that I have no control over an auto-immune condition!

And your assumption re SM is completely wrong. I’m not on any other sites apart from here, and can’t imagine doing anything as cringeworthy as an “I’m vaxxed” avatar.

Tahaniisfine · 12/12/2021 02:43

[quote Starcup]@ChilliGoat

It’s like banging my head against a brick wall. Again

Hmmm I agree with you on that point but from a different perspective. It’ll be ok when we vaccinate the vaccine, everyone, boosters… it’s like watching your mate get cheated o time and time again yet they keep going back saying ‘but this times different…. 🤯[/quote]
That’s not how vaccines work.

I got infected as one of those worthless people with underlying conditions (see above) and got very poorly but it prevented severe disease (as would have been very likely pre vax).

Vaccines offer a degree of protection against symptomatic disease and severe disease.

With variants that degree can be lower.

Those who refuse vaccines add to development of vaccine resistant variants as do countries that let it hugely spread and mutate. Poster earlier is right that the deniers keep making all of this worse

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Tahaniisfine · 12/12/2021 02:44

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This is a discriminatory and ablest attitude
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