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Omicron New Variant Thread 2 *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

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Thewiseoneincognito · 01/12/2021 21:42

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RedToothBrush · 09/12/2021 10:01

@MaxNormal

Redtoothbrush you said "many of" the unvaccinated will likely be died though. Ie implying a sizable percentage of them.

I hear your concerns re impact on the health care system but there is nothing in the data about omicron that suggests it will kill a sizeable percentage of anyone, unvaccinated or not.

As ever, its a small percentage of a large number, and that is what causes the problem.

If its affecting the young more and we have issues with hospitals being overwhelmed by covid and other conditions becoming more serious because theyve been left untreated and theres issues with compliance on restrictions we really are looking at a mess with even milder cases.

'Many' as a measure doesn't necessarily mean a majority. But it could well be enough to get scary and shocking. The psychologically of the impact shouldnt be under estimated.

Quartz2208 · 09/12/2021 10:16

That was last updated on the 2nd so just hasnt come through. It was definitely mentioned yesterday and on the news.

These things can take ages to filter through.

I think the psychological impact of any of this can't be understated either

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2021 10:56

I think it’ll be a fast hit. I just walked in to centre and got booster

Glad to have it now

peridito · 09/12/2021 11:05

RTB - interesting that Gov guidelines re contacts of omricon cases not yet updated .
The Independent are reporting it ...wonder if there's confusion ?

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 09/12/2021 11:07

Looked on the BBC article just says no date has yet been set for that change but the isolation rules are changing to what's been reported

TheHoneyBadger · 09/12/2021 11:14

Presumably not for any scientific reasons but purely because they know schools would have to close and hospitals would be a shit show if staff had to isolate.

Quartz2208 · 09/12/2021 11:19

Yes economic based ones I imagine. Which is fine these things do need to be balanced
Personally I would have added isolate until day 3 PCR if in same household but can see why you wouldn’t want to overload the labs

DH alpha test took 4 days to come back last Christmas as that was kicking off

RedToothBrush · 09/12/2021 11:23

@TheHoneyBadger

Presumably not for any scientific reasons but purely because they know schools would have to close and hospitals would be a shit show if staff had to isolate.
My guess too.

If the incubation period is only two days i dont think it matters tbh.

RedToothBrush · 09/12/2021 11:24

By the time people know they are a contact its too late and they've already passed it on to someone else.

TokyoSushi · 09/12/2021 11:27

Just checking in to say thank you for your insight, really useful.

I'm 41 and booked a booster yesterday for this lunchtime.

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2021 11:51

I feel like it’s going to be swift so the get a booster message is key

Then with only wfh taking out some contacts that’s kind of it. Not sure there’s another way anything really slowing it will be hugely damaging then the fast rise will just be delayed to later on

herecomesthsun · 09/12/2021 12:42

from the Guardian

"Prof Andrew Hayward, a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) from University College London, has described the new restrictions in England as “an essential first move.”

PA Media quote him telling Sky News “virus is moving very fast so it’s important that we react to that fast”.

He said a doubling time of every two to three days was “very fast” and “you’ll get a very large peak”.

“And it’s a bit like if you think of a month’s worth of rain falling in a few days, that leads to flooding and it’s a similar type of scenario … we can reduce that by reducing social mixing and allow time to slow the virus down and get vaccine into more people’s arms.”

He said Plan B measures would “slow the spread” but “it’s not going to turn it around”, adding: “I think you would need much more severe restrictions to turn it around, but I think what the encouraging thing is that we’ve started to see, through some of the laboratory data, is sort of that third dose of vaccine is really providing much better immunity, whereas just with the two doses, it’s not really so good.

“So this idea of slowing it down ... more social distancing, not going to work if you don’t have to, not going on public transport to go to work when you don’t have to, will make a difference.

“I think it’s very difficult to predict whether that’s going to be enough but I think it’s an essential first move.” "

TokyoSushi · 09/12/2021 12:46

A booster success story here! About 1 minute, in & out, so AZ/AZ/Pfizer now, booked yesterday, boosted today!

herecomesthsun · 09/12/2021 12:49

well done, boosters are great (Pfizer cubed here)

Firefliess · 09/12/2021 12:52

@Quartz2208

What is in the data though to remotely show that everyone would fall sick simultaneously with this though? I cannot see anything that Omicron would cause this.

Although I could in theory see that somethings can

I think it's in the rate that it spreads at - 3 day doubling. If you decide that your hospitals can't cope when they hit (say) 1000 admissions a day, that would be based on the numbers who contracted covid about 15 days previously. Even if you impose (and manage to enforce) a full lockdown at that stage, or people just stay home through choice, the admission numbers would still go up by 32 times (5 doubling times 2x2x2x2x2) - ie to 32,000 a day based on those who caught it in the last 15 years. Which is way, way higher than could be coped with.

It might not get that high, because the pool of people who can catch Omicron isn't infinite. If the hospitalisation rate is very low, then admissions won't get that high before the case rates start to fall - there seems strong evidence that they vaccinated won't get as sick as people did in previous waves, but unlikely that the unvaccinated people who've not yet caught covid wouldn't get just as sick as ever.

RedToothBrush · 09/12/2021 12:54

www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2021/12/a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-johnson-has-suddenly-become-more-likely-than-not.html
A vote of no confidence in Johnson has suddenly become more likely than not

Note the source. Its Conservative Home.
The comments below really do highlight the mood change.

The question you have to ask is about timing and what issue will be the final straw if he does go.

How viable is it to take further steps from the 'essential first move'? I very much have my doubts. Does Johnson still have the authority within his own party to do it?

Firefliess · 09/12/2021 12:54

That should of course read who caught it in the last 15 days (not years!)

Firefliess · 09/12/2021 12:57

@RedToothBrush

www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2021/12/a-vote-of-no-confidence-in-johnson-has-suddenly-become-more-likely-than-not.html A vote of no confidence in Johnson has suddenly become more likely than not

Note the source. Its Conservative Home.
The comments below really do highlight the mood change.

The question you have to ask is about timing and what issue will be the final straw if he does go.

How viable is it to take further steps from the 'essential first move'? I very much have my doubts. Does Johnson still have the authority within his own party to do it?

That's interesting to hear! And not exactly surprising.

But in terms of anyone else having more authority to go further than plan b - I can't see the timing of a leadership challenge making this a possibility? It would takes weeks at least surely?

MarshaBradyo · 09/12/2021 13:00

It might go the other way - less than plan B

peridito · 09/12/2021 13:06

I guess greater legitimacy now for the old "spend more time with the family" .

Quartz2208 · 09/12/2021 13:07

Dominic Raab would take over I think.

Then you would also have Gove (very pro more than Plan B) and Sunak (very much economic) but neither I think would be in until after all of this.

RedToothBrush · 09/12/2021 13:41

@MarshaBradyo

It might go the other way - less than plan B
Very much so...
RedToothBrush · 09/12/2021 13:45

@Quartz2208

Dominic Raab would take over I think.

Then you would also have Gove (very pro more than Plan B) and Sunak (very much economic) but neither I think would be in until after all of this.

Exactly.

A new leader would come in after it was 'too late'.

Which begs the question, which way would the Captain Of The Chaos that was the Afghanistan Withdrawal jump?

Clue: Finer details, logistics and facts in general are not Mr Raabs stronger personal skills.

Watercoloursky · 09/12/2021 13:50

@Quartz2208

That was last updated on the 2nd so just hasnt come through. It was definitely mentioned yesterday and on the news.

These things can take ages to filter through.

I think the psychological impact of any of this can't be understated either

Yes, you can read about it here: www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-confirms-move-to-plan-b-in-england (11th paragraph down)

'As there is now demonstrated community transmission of Omicron, we intend to introduce daily contact tests for contacts of confirmed positive cases instead of the ten-day self-isolation period.'

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