Help - why does Spain say children have to be double vaxed to enter when they are unable to be?

[AliceA2021]

After help - any travel consultants/anyone who knows the answer?

Booked holiday and adults are fully vaxed and can enter. Children from 12 - 17 have the one vaccine that is only currently available in UK. Spain say they don't count as double vaxed since only had one vax but children unable to have 2 doses! Round in circles/catch 22.

Does this mean only travellers that are adults or have children under 12 can currently enter Spain?

The rest of the world hasn't caught up to the UK's frankly bizarre vaccination policy for children.

This.

The issue will likely extend to younger children too now that the EMA has approved vaccination for 5-11 year olds. Some European countries are already planning to start vaccinating this group before the end of the year.

Thanks again for the really useful replies. I'll ring my grandparents and let them know we have to delay.

Goodnight.

Doesn’t a teenagers vaccine show up on some sort of nhs app?

That’s a link from the Daily Fail & purposefully not comparing like for like. Risks from the vaccine are tiny.

Those stats are comparing ICU admission v myocarditis. Very different. Myocarditis isn’t an automatic death sentence, most people fully recover. I’m one of those people, I had it in 2018 and I’m very much alive & kicking & didn’t need hospital. Myocarditis is a common complication of covid. It doesn’t land most people in ICU, it is usually mild. So even though there may be a higher chance kids get it compared to needing ICU, it doesn’t mean they’ll be seriously ill & they’ll more than likely fully recover. Whereas kids needing ICU are seriously ill.

Not just Spain unfortunately. There are a whole load of countries that have the same policy. We've had to cancel a lot of customers holidays due to these policies. Unfortunately there is currently no way around it until that age group are able to be double jabbed.

And unfortunately the policies for each country are changing all the time so it's a constant juggling act.

Covid passes are only available for people aged 16+.

So my 13yo dd who js half German so entitled to a German passport is allowed in with just a single vaccination?

You might like to check to see if they are allowed dual citizenship.

[quote Blessex]@PAFMO does it make sense when you read the data? I mean I can’t say I agree but the data does back up one vaccine.[/quote]
I think the device you are using is having issues. You seem to be spamming the thread with the same thing over and over.

The rules do apply to EU citizens, my teen DD is an EU citizen resident in the EU and has been vaccinated with both doses, she was given a EU Green pass after the first one but it only remains valid until your second dose (so about 3 weeks in her case), then you get an updated green pass vaccine certificate. I’d forgotten to forward her updated certificate to her when her first one expired and she was denied entry to a café in her home town.

It’s not picking on the Brits, it’s valid for all. I was in France a few weeks ago for work and needed my EU certificate to access a restaurant.

Also all over 12s get given their own QR code vaccine certificate here, not like the U.K. which doesn’t supply documentation to under 16s. Why wouldn’t you? Baffling.

[quote Blessex]@PAFMO does it make sense when you read the data? I mean I can’t say I agree but the data does back up one vaccine.[/quote]
No.
For all the reasons @Bobholll has pointed out. Plus the fact you're far more likely to get myocarditis from Covid. Etc etc.

Just punishment for Brexit really

Applies to all third countries, which we voted to be.

@Melassa This suggests that rules for entry to Spain are different for non-EU citizens.

www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/spain-tightens-entry-rules-due-to-fears-of-new-covid-19-omicron-variant/

Look. I am not an expert and would suggest nobody on here is. Am just trying to explain why maybe the scientists have made the decision to jab once. I mean they aren’t stupid. There will be a reason. It’s not an anti vax chart. It’s just laying out the fact. I am the first to have my kids jabbed a second time. Just let’s not just glibly assume those making the decisions are stupid. It’s highly disrespectful to the amazing scientists behind this effort. A lot of them amazing women.

Anyway rant over. The next issue is that under 16 year olds are not allowed the NHS app.

[quote PAFMO]@AliceA2021
Comirnaty is Pfizer.
The UK gives teens 1 dose of a 2 dose "quantity"
Most other countries fully (2 dose) vaccinate teens whether it's with Pfizer or Moderna. My DD is fully vaccinated with Moderna, her friend with Pfizer.
It's the exact same vaccine. Just that UK kids currently don't get fully vaccinated.

Re: the EU citizen thing- the way I understand it (but may be wrong) is it's to do with where you're coming in from. People from Britain need to be fully jabbed, including teens. People from the EU don't. As in, coming in from the EU. Otherwise there's no logic. A Brit living in a country with low numbers (say Portugal) couldn't go to Spain because they're British...wouldn't make sense. (mind you, a lot of Covid legislation, starting from the UK only half vaccinating its teens....hasn't made much sense tbf)[/quote]
The Uk is now changing this so that 12-15s can have a second dose 3 months after the first.

Age 16-17 already offered 2nd vaccine
Age 12-15 can now get a 2nd one if 12 weeks from 1st one (well once they update the booking system anyway)

Age 5-11 will get a smaller dose (⅓rd of the adult dose I think) when it eventually gets rolled out

@BunsyGirl

I feel for you because we have an 11 year old who is due to turn 12 8 days before we go to Spain next year. Unless the rules change again, we won’t be able to go

Apologies if it’s already been mentioned (haven’t RTFT) but check the detail re Spain’s rules on the cut off for 12 year olds. I know in France 12 years and 2 months (or maybe 3 months?) is the cut off to allow those newly eligible for the jab to continue with regular life whilst waiting for the 4-6 week gap between the 2 jabs.

@Blackbird2020 Thank you. That’s useful. It seems crazy that there is not some sort of grace period. I am happy for my DS to be vaccinated but there is no way for us to do it in time for travel. I will have a look again as I haven’t seen anything about Spain allowing time for 12 year olds to get vaccinated.

There are other anomalies in the travel rules for arrival in Spain.. Netherlands for example.. all over 12s need vaccination and COVID test whereas other EU origins need either one or the other.. this could be due to the higher number of cases in the Netherland or that the variant of concern has been identified there.

travelsafe.spain.info/en/

I haven't looked at every country but the wording was different between France and Netherlands.

It’s so confusing

Is there a source for them announcing 12-15s can get second dose? Haven’t seen it in the news myself.

Re. The eu thing, yes I agree it should be about where you reside and where you fly from, but I was giving the example of my dh going abroad from uk and getting waved through with less checks/restrictions than the British passport holders on the same flight, because of travelling on his German passport

@borntobequiet

So my 13yo dd who js half German so entitled to a German passport is allowed in with just a single vaccination?

You might like to check to see if they are allowed dual citizenship.

@borntobequiet yes Germany allows this, my dh has it and dd did have a German passport when she was younger (as well as British one) but it expired and we didn’t bother renewing it.

@User2638483

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-booster-jabs-for-all-adults-as-vaccine-advisers-announce-rollout-expansion-to-combat-omicron-variant-12482072

@User2638483 Also in lots of other news reports. That’s just the first one I found.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518 says in here about 2nd doses for 12-15 year olds

Ah that’s really good news thank you
Also given me hope for the school ski trip to Austria…