Rules for thee and not for me?

[SweetsMum3]

I don’t understand why my year 7 child who already had Covid will now have to wear a mask in school corridors. Yet, Boris can walk through a hospital(!) and not wear one. When 1000s of leaders and people from all over the world can gather to attend Cop26, no mask.

All this over a new variant which is extremely mild according to the South African health minister. Viruses become more transmissible but less virulent over time. This is exactly what is meant to happen. To push more restrictions on us and our children is nonsensical and completely uncalled for. Forcing people to cover their face is just theatre and nothing more.

Freedom day was promised to be “irreversible”… I can’t take any more of this. I had Covid, I’m newly double jabbed. I eat healthy. I work out 4x per week. I’m young. The dangling of restrictions over our head is causing great anxiety. I feel like I’m in an abusive relationship where I’m gaslighted, taunted and blamed. The abuser is the government.

[quote SweetsMum3]@Flyonawalk

Thank you, Flyona. I believe many feel this way but are too scared to say so. I grew-up with an abusive narcissistic sociopath. The traits of the government aren’t different. I see what they’re doing and they hire behavioral scientists to help them.[/quote]
I completely agree OP. xxx

And yes, unless you work in a shop or public transport, you currently don't have to wear a mask very often at all.

Just the two hours a day when I’m on public transport then.

[quote SweetsMum3]@UnmentionedElephantDildo

It is very much true. Immunology 101!

“With luck omicron will prove to be not only more infectious but also milder than delta. According to the doctor who diagnosed it, omicron “presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two… They might have a slight cough.” This, plus the effect of the vaccines, means that Britain’s policy of opening up in July, defying the modellers’ apocalyptic obsessions, proved sensible. The virus did not spiral out of control, or overwhelm the NHS, but a series of small waves came and went, as society inched towards an endemic truce with the enemy.”

Omicron may good news. If it spreads fast with mild symptoms it will give full immunity to vaccinated and unvaccinated. Each variant has halved in its case fatality: alpha 1.9%, beta 1.2% and delta 0.51%. So for omicron maybe 0.25%. Let’s be optimistic.[/quote]
It may be true to of Omicron but that’s yet to be seen, it’s not true that All viruses become less virulent with time, which is what you said originally.

@milly74

@Amberflames

And yes, unless you work in a shop or public transport, you currently don't have to wear a mask very often at all.

Just the two hours a day when I’m on public transport then.

I know it's not fun, my husband has to wear one 9 hours a day. I'm on a couple hours most days as well.

I just feel like it's really not that much when other countries are back in lockdown and needing vaccine passes to go anywhere.

All this over a new variant which is extremely mild according to the South African health minister.

It's far too early to know with any confidence as every epidemiologist is saying... The ones to date have been mild, but these are few in number and young. However, I accept the messages to dates aren't bad news.

Viruses become more transmissible but less virulent over time.

This isn't true... Viruses evolve to become
better at transmitting - basic survival of the fittest. The virus doesn't care if it kills or is harmless, as long is it can infect and reproduce. As Covid can infect others efficiently before it causes illness, what it does after it has transmitted is irrelevant.

[quote SweetsMum3]@UnmentionedElephantDildo

It is very much true. Immunology 101!

“With luck omicron will prove to be not only more infectious but also milder than delta. According to the doctor who diagnosed it, omicron “presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two… They might have a slight cough.” This, plus the effect of the vaccines, means that Britain’s policy of opening up in July, defying the modellers’ apocalyptic obsessions, proved sensible. The virus did not spiral out of control, or overwhelm the NHS, but a series of small waves came and went, as society inched towards an endemic truce with the enemy.”

Omicron may good news. If it spreads fast with mild symptoms it will give full immunity to vaccinated and unvaccinated. Each variant has halved in its case fatality: alpha 1.9%, beta 1.2% and delta 0.51%. So for omicron maybe 0.25%. Let’s be optimistic.[/quote]
It is true that diseases can become mioder.

It is nit however true apthat all will.

Especially those where there is no evolutionary need for them to do so

SARS-COV2 has no evolutionary need. It might becine mikder, it might become more severe. It's chance really - or 'collateral damage' from the changes for which it does have evolutionary pressure, namely escaping the vaccine. And possibly having a higher viral load to maximise chances of viral escape.

(The virus doesn't, unfortunately, limit itself to what is taught in 101 classes)

Just don’t comply. What do you think will happen? Other than a few disapproving looks, nothing.

The fact masks have been bought back in just two scenarios, based upon 3 cases of a new variant, when we have been living with consistent levels of Covid for months now without compulsory mask wearing is purely for political ratings. So the government can cover their arses and say they acted quickly at the first sign of a new variant.

As with most covid restrictions they are non-sensical but the morally righteous will be falling over themselves to comply so they can condemn those who dare question the governments actions or act “selfishly”.

Don't wear a mask. It's just a tool to reassure the super anxious.

@dreamingbohemian

I can’t take any more of this

Can't take any more of what? Wearing a mask for a few minutes here and there? It's really not a big deal.

People act like this kind of anxiety is normal and inevitable but it's not. You can actually get rid of it if you really want to.

Wtf? So just because you wear it for a few minutes hear and there it's not a big deal? School kids in Scotland 6 hrs a day, retail workers 7/8hrs a day. Maybe step out your privileged bubble and think of others. You lot are the selfish ones.

@epcot15. As I said I am usually wearing one for several hours a day and my DH is in food retail wearing one 9 hours a day. This is why I don't understand people moaning about losing their freedom because they have to wear one for 20 minutes doing their shopping or their child wearing one for 5 minutes between classes.

IME it is the people in 'privileged bubbles' who are moaning while people on the front lines in NHS, retail, teaching are just getting on with it.

"Omicron may good news. If it spreads fast with mild symptoms it will give full immunity to vaccinated and unvaccinated. Each variant has halved in its case fatality: alpha 1.9%, beta 1.2% and delta 0.51%. So for omicron maybe 0.25%. Let’s be optimistic."

Yes, OP, this is what I'm hoping for. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

@SweetsMum3

I don’t understand why my year 7 child who already had Covid will now have to wear a mask in school corridors. Yet, Boris can walk through a hospital(!) and not wear one. When 1000s of leaders and people from all over the world can gather to attend Cop26, no mask.

All this over a new variant which is extremely mild according to the South African health minister. Viruses become more transmissible but less virulent over time. This is exactly what is meant to happen. To push more restrictions on us and our children is nonsensical and completely uncalled for. Forcing people to cover their face is just theatre and nothing more.

Freedom day was promised to be “irreversible”… I can’t take any more of this. I had Covid, I’m newly double jabbed. I eat healthy. I work out 4x per week. I’m young. The dangling of restrictions over our head is causing great anxiety. I feel like I’m in an abusive relationship where I’m gaslighted, taunted and blamed. The abuser is the government.

Here we go again

1. Your child may have had covid, but as we are seeing people are getting it again. They can still possibly transmit to others. Just wear the bloody mask and quit moaning

1. The person saying she found it, and it’s mild is a gp and it was in young people. No one fully knows how it would affect older people, if it can jump the vaccine ,but they do believe it’s highly transmissible. Let’s wait for the actual scientists to provide proper information. In the meantime a number of countries have gone ahead with extra precautions having learnt from Delta. If WHO are concerned then I would suggest it maybe more serious than other variants. There are a number of studies out there saying mask wearing does help reduce the load. So just do as asked and wear a mask

1. Its interesting to see how many people seemed to think freedom day meant it was over. Don’t you all remember they said they would still have contingency plans. Aka plan B that’s been talked about every so often by the press. They have never said there would be no more restrictions, they have always expressed concern about this winter with covid and flu. Instead of moaning just be grateful, if you hate restrictions so much, you don’t live in other countries where lockdowns are back

Whooopee do for you that you have had covid, eat healthily and all the rest. However you can still transmit covid to others, hence the new restrictions, and those others may not be as lucky as you in getting over covid.

We all have a duty to try and keep transmission down, so that means just shut up, wear the masks and let’s get through this

@Seemslikeagoodidea aren’t variants case fatalities so far dropping due to vaccines though and not due to being less virulent?

Can't take much more?

It's a piece of cloth fgs.

It's not all about you. It's about trying to prevent the NHS collapsing under the weight of cases of people who aren't as fortunate as you health wise. It's about trying to stem covid so the NHS can be there for all the cancer patients/cardiac/strokes etc...which your family may need.

No one likes restrictions. But we just have to get on with it.

For exactly the same reasons as Nicola Sturgeon can wander around Cop26 giving out cans of Irn Bru and taking selfies with anyone and everyone without a mask, and my children have to wear one all day, every day at school.

No MP was given an opportunity to vote on the extension of the Coronvirus Act in September which is being used for the muzzle mandate. Here is what was said:

"Madam Deputy Speaker: I am afraid I fear the mood of the House is not to have a vote. The right hon. Gentleman would have to rustle up a few more people to really get the sense that we required a vote—

Sir Desmond Swayne: The just shall live by faith.

Madam Deputy Speaker: I am sure they will. The Ayes have it."

Personally the mood in my house is not to follow the rules.