Can someone explain the logic to me please

[ChristmasScrooge]

How does this make sense?

We have to mask up on public transport and shops... but you can go into a nightclub where people are hugging/mingling more and you don't have to wear one?

WHERE IS THE LOGIC?

Anyone else fed up of all coronavirus crap? Let us live, the death toll isn't correct. Whose to say those people didn't test positive but yet died of cancer? Or got hit by a bus or whatever?

And how does having a vaccine protect others? When you can still catch covid and pass it on?

None of it makes any sense.

@stressedy

i have been triple vaccinated what was the point if my freedom is going to be stole again !

Because we don’t know yet how effective the vaccines are against this new variant. This was always a risk, its how viruses and vaccines work, it’s not exactly been a big secret.

@RaisinFlapjack

It’s not all or nothing It’s about balance of benefit vs impact.

For most people wearing masks in shops end on public transport is a minor inconvenience. Lots of people use both so it covers a lot of potential close contacts.

Big impact, minimal inconvenience.

Masks in clubs/bars etc would have less impact as fewer people use them and it would have a much more severe impact on the viability of those businesses.

This.

The thread has similar energy to the "but vaccines don't stop 100% of infections so they're useful" ones

Doing something is better than doing nothing, these measures reduce chains of transmission.

So maybe if you're infectious and wear a mask, you're less likely to spread to others when you're picking up wine at the supermarket, taking the tube to a bar. When in the bar, mask comes off as it's logical to enforce wearing in hospitality. Maybe now you're more likely to infect others but it doesn't cancel out the cumulative benefit of the previous statements.

Then think of the impact of this if the whole eligible population was doing it.

usless! doh

Because of the economy who is going to go to a nightclub with a mask on ? . They would have to shut again and no way are they paying for furlough again . Alcohol has huge tax for the government they need that to keep that money rolling in . You know to pay for this bloody pandemic. If it concerns you op don’t go to a nightclub. Tbh shops / transport are very busy at the minute with the run up to Christmas so it makes sense.

[quote shockedNeighbour]@Theplantisgrowing you accused me of spreading misinformation. Please present me with the evidence that my statement is wrong.[/quote]
Ah yes, because you have provided so much evidence in your nonsensical ramblings.

It does not make any sense at all I totally agree!

i have been triple vaccinated what was the point if my freedom is going to be stole again !

Well, let's have a think, shall we? What do vaccines do? Why do we get them? What was the main, really big difference we noticed once a significant number of people in the UK had been vaccinated? See if you can puzzle it out by yourself first. Go on, have a go!

Because those people mingling in nightclubs still mix with the rest of society? hmm

Yeah and when they are mixing with people in shops and on public transport they’ll be wearing masks and hopefully minimising the risk of them transmitting it to the rest of society.

I imagine schools will close early for Christmas too

Makes sense

@ChristmasScrooge OP, there is no logic and no sense. The previous poster was right who said mask-wearing is about theatre.

There have always been viruses which mutate and pose various dangers. We have lived with this for years and healthy people have not had to think about it. Without social media I sincerely think covid would have passed around unnoticed and panic would not have been stirred up.

Without social media I sincerely think covid would have passed around unnoticed

It is shocking that someone could think this @Flyonawalk

Genuinely, how?!

The number of people unwell/needing hospital care/dying in such a short time frame is unprecented.

@RaisinFlapjack

Because those people mingling in nightclubs still mix with the rest of society? hmm

Yeah and when they are mixing with people in shops and on public transport they’ll be wearing masks and hopefully minimising the risk of them transmitting it to the rest of society.

😂 You must be on another planet. As if most will wear masks, have you not seen the general opinion about masks, covid etc? People barely wore masks before, what makes you think they'll wear them now? They are mandatory. If someone walks into a shop without one - nobody bats a eyelid. Nobody makes them wear one.

*aren't

Ffs MNs you really need to make a edit button.

@TheCovidScoorge but who do you think should be MAKING people wear masks in shops?

@saltedcaramel1 Not unprecedented, no.

Adjusting for age of population, 2020 had a slightly lower death rate than 2008. We didn’t lock down that year or whip up fear and paranoia.

There are causes of death worldwide which dwarf covid figures and we don’t notice. Did you know that 25,000 people per day die of food and water shortage? And two thirds of those are under the age of 5. That’s 9 million people per year, including 6 million under-fives. This passes unnoticed.

*source by the way regarding food and water shortage deaths, UNICEF.

[quote Flyonawalk]@saltedcaramel1 Not unprecedented, no.

Adjusting for age of population, 2020 had a slightly lower death rate than 2008. We didn’t lock down that year or whip up fear and paranoia.

There are causes of death worldwide which dwarf covid figures and we don’t notice. Did you know that 25,000 people per day die of food and water shortage? And two thirds of those are under the age of 5. That’s 9 million people per year, including 6 million under-fives. This passes unnoticed.[/quote]
I don't think it's possible to argue with someone so utterly wrong.

No, SARS-COV-2 wouldn't have gone by unnoticed if SM didn't exist.

Death rate has been decreasing steadily over the last decade or so for various reasons.

[quote xxxGirlCrushxxx]@TheCovidScoorge but who do you think should be MAKING people wear masks in shops?[/quote]
Nobody should force anyone to wear a face mask. I'm just pointing out the flawed logic of others.

[quote Flyonawalk]@ChristmasScrooge OP, there is no logic and no sense. The previous poster was right who said mask-wearing is about theatre.

There have always been viruses which mutate and pose various dangers. We have lived with this for years and healthy people have not had to think about it. Without social media I sincerely think covid would have passed around unnoticed and panic would not have been stirred up.[/quote]
I hope you’re trolling, otherwise this is about the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever read about covid.

You must be on another planet. As if most will wear masks, have you not seen the general opinion about masks, covid etc?
People barely wore masks before, what makes you think they'll wear them now? They are mandatory. If someone walks into a shop without one - nobody bats a eyelid. Nobody makes them wear one.

Well that’s about compliance - I was answering the question about the point of making them mandatory in some environments and not others.

As for compliance- remains to be seen what it’s like this time round, but I know plenty of young people who are making the most of the opportunity to go to clubs, bars etc again but are still disciplined about wearing masks in other places. Outside of people arguing on the internet people seem to be able to wrap their heads around the idea.

I thought it was because you’d be eating or drinking in a hospitality venue and you’d have to take your mask off for that anyway.
Also no one wants to go clubbing with a mask on, they’d just stay at home and have house parties which would probably be worse for the spread as they’re less manageable.

'Doing something is better than doing nothing' is an entirely vacuous statement made by the many righteous dim on here. How can you actually prove that? I will happily wear a mask in the shops if I have to but I am not convinced it is more than for show.

Masks are a sensible precaution protecting shop/transport/hospital staff who are often in their 50s or 60s. They are more vulnerable.

Few nightclub staff are much more than 30. Less risk. And no-one NEEDS to go to a night club.

Try thinking about the risks to others !

@Happypootle

'Doing something is better than doing nothing' is an entirely vacuous statement made by the many righteous dim on here. How can you actually prove that? I will happily wear a mask in the shops if I have to but I am not convinced it is more than for show.

There have been plenty of studies on the efficacy of masks if you'd bother to read them. We never should have got rid of masks. Go and look at how countries like South Korea are doing compared to us.

@dabbydabbydoo I think recent analysis suggests approx 10% reduction of cases whilst wearing masks of an appropriate quality - in closely confined indoor settings. It may be somewhat better protection than that in fact, and I am supportive of mask wearing on public transport. However, we are not imposing mask wearing in other genuinely confined indoor spaces (schools, pubs, clubs, workplaces). We are instead choosing to do something easier (retail) just because its easier, rather than because that space is particularly problematic. Your reference to South Korea (do you want to get WW2 in there somewhere next time?) just perfectly encapsulates that 'righteous dim' response I was talking about .