Let's look at the other side of the coin

[perfectSmiles3]

Please explain which bit of this makes any sense!!! Unvaccinated people newly recovered from covid pumped full of antibodies (tested x2 and confirmed by the NHS) still have to self-isolate on contact with the infected, whereas someone who let's say was last jabbed in spring with clearly depleting antibody levels, doesn't.

OP because they want to make it as hard as possible to try to work it out and then confuse you with conflicting information because they basically have no idea either and continuously change their advice.
Also want you to feel incredibly bad about yourself for choosing to not be vaccinated and tell you that you are selfish and don’t care about your fellow man.
Then you post on MN which is full of bullies who think that it’s totally acceptable that a government that “cares about your health” can mandate a vaccine and they make you feel bad about yourself too.
But that’s ok because it’s for the “greater good”. Suddenly everyone cares about each other. History has shown that people just shit on each but now in a “ pandemic” everyone cares.
Vaccination has always been about self protection, people just need to be honest.

Because it's harder, and more expensive to prove someone has Covid and has anti-bodies that it is to prove someone has had the vaccine.

@Dbank

Because it's harder, and more expensive to prove someone has Covid and has anti-bodies that it is to prove someone has had the vaccine.

No it isn't.... we all (unvaxxed/vaxxed) do PCRs when having symptoms and all 18+ are offered two antibody tests at the same time as booking your PCR. The NHS facilitates testing your antibody levels, then sends you text messages of the unquantified (?!?) results. All this then feeds into your NHS App and a Covid Pass is generated. They already do this for us unjabbed.... why then attach certain rights to the same Covid Pass but not others? Clearly, that is where extra admin is generated.

[quote Lostinacloud]@perfectSmiles3 I don’t know if you can receive that information via a private test but you definitely get the numbers in France. As they generally only vaccinate once if you have been previously infected with covid then it’s possible to get a pre-vaccine blood test to check for antibodies.
That is of course until your 6 months is up when antibodies or at risk or not, you’ll be required to get a booster in order to continue being able to go inside a library or dentist office.[/quote]
This sounds like a far more logical and scientifically sound thing to do. Much better than what the UK does, completely refusing to acknowledge natural immunity and antibodies generated by natural immunity.... especially when it is our own healthcare system (the NHS) doing the testing and recording of all the information anyway. Yet, after all the time, money and resources are spent doing PCRs and antibody tests, they just simply ignore the results coming out of their own efforts.

Perhaps it's to encourage the hard of thinking to get vaxed?

@MrsSkylerWhite

I can’t recall the name of the virology expert, but last week on a you and yours phone in, they explained it in very simple terms.

Everyone who has contacted Covid and recovered has “some” antibodies.

“Some” antibodies is not as good as the far greater level of antibodies provided by infection plus vaccination.

It really is that straightforward.

dr simon clarke, prof of cellular microbiology, univ of reading.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0011ldy

@TheReluctantPhoenix

You are right science-wise, but maybe not public health wise.

Ultimately, on a population level, vaccinations are the solution. And it is not wrong to (heavily) incentivise people to have them.

It is really not sensible to encourage people to get COVID thinking (mistakenly) that it is a better solution than getting jabbed.

When did we separate public health from science?

People with recent Covid infection, especially when they have proven antibodies, ought to be exempt from restricted imposed on the unvaccinated. If we're being scientific. If we're being ideological, that's a different matter of course.

alexdgr8

MrsSkylerWhite
I can’t recall the name of the virology expert, but last week on a you and yours phone in, they explained it in very simple terms.

Everyone who has contacted Covid and recovered has “some” antibodies.

“Some” antibodies is not as good as the far greater level of antibodies provided by infection plus vaccination.

It really is that straightforward.
dr simon clarke, prof of cellular microbiology, univ of reading.“

Thank you! Everyone ought to have a listen.

You have "some" antibodies - you may not be "pumped full" of them, as your lying first post suggested. And the government cant openly encourage the stupid to go and get covid so they'll be free of restrictions so it has to keep some. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-party-death-italy-bolzano-b1962661.html

This is what happens to some anti-vaxers, some getlucky and are just a burden on the NHS - either directly or by infecting others www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

You must be so proud of the number you infected.

Today 21:07 alreadytaken

You have "some" antibodies - you may not be "pumped full" of them, as your lying first post suggested. And the government cant openly encourage the stupid to go and get covid so they'll be free of restrictions so it has to keep some. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-party-death-italy-bolzano-b1962661.html

This is what happens to some anti-vaxers, some getlucky and are just a burden on the NHS - either directly or by infecting others www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

You must be so proud of the number you infected.“

Sorry, was that directed at me?

If so, no idea what your rant is about. I’m double vaxxed and boosted, wear a mask in every public indoor situation (outdoors sometimes too, if it’s busy) and mix with very few people. I’ve never had Covid and infected no-one. So, I’ve no idea what you’re banging on about.

Apologies if it wasn’t directed at me.

@MrsSkylerWhite

I can’t recall the name of the virology expert, but last week on a you and yours phone in, they explained it in very simple terms.

Everyone who has contacted Covid and recovered has “some” antibodies.

“Some” antibodies is not as good as the far greater level of antibodies provided by infection plus vaccination.

It really is that straightforward.

This is not science. More is not better.

@perfectSmiles3

Please explain which bit of this makes any sense!!! Unvaccinated people newly recovered from covid pumped full of antibodies (tested x2 and confirmed by the NHS) still have to self-isolate on contact with the infected, whereas someone who let's say was last jabbed in spring with clearly depleting antibody levels, doesn't.

It doesn't make sense.

The vaccines are quite frankly the worst vaccines ever in widespread use, with short duration of effect, and unacceptably high side effect profiles. If it wasn't for the manufactured levels of fear, nobody but the at risk (elderly, obese, comorbid) would have taken them.

Now though, rather than admit the mistake, the people who took them are facing extreme cognitive dissonance & want to force everyone else to get them so they don't feel so foolish.

Or they won't be as alone in their fear if the concerns of immune exhaustion for boosters, ADE, cancer, neurodegenerative disorders, ongoing heart issues, PAH etc start to transpire. Papers coving the risk of all of these things have been written. I get it must be scary. But there are a lot of arseholes out there who want to drag everyone else down into their pit of fear.

That's how it seems to me, anyway.

@alreadytaken

You have "some" antibodies - you may not be "pumped full" of them, as your lying first post suggested. And the government cant openly encourage the stupid to go and get covid so they'll be free of restrictions so it has to keep some. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-party-death-italy-bolzano-b1962661.html

This is what happens to some anti-vaxers, some getlucky and are just a burden on the NHS - either directly or by infecting others www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

You must be so proud of the number you infected.

Wow @alreadytaken, your post is dripping with disgust and anger towards a fellow mum who is a complete stranger to you - this suggests a deeply unhealthy mind!

If you had read my OP correctly, both my NHS antibody tests came back positive (even the first one, which only looked at previous infections). Therefore if I did have antibodies prior to the current infection, logic dictates that the second antibody test would have produced an even higher antibody result.

And yes, I am very proud of myself as I am living proof of how covid may spread in a small environment and how science works (when not manipulated), as I was the 3rd person to come down with it in our office (out of 5 of us). My four colleagues are fully vaccinated and only one of them was spared covid in this round. As to how many I infected?.... my own immediate family bar one member, but they're all unvaccinated, so don't count in your world.

@morticiamarkle there sure is an awful lot of hatred generated towards the unjabbed, which is now openly and often aggressively displayed by ordinary citizens (see @alreadytaken - who, I'm sure, is a perfectly normal mum). Whereas, those of us who are unjabbed (for various reasons) are trying to keep to ourselves in our private and professional lives. I, personally, am working hard every single day to keep myself a healthy distance away from people, especially work colleagues, so that I don't have to miss another day of work again for being put down as a close contact of yet another fool, who decides to come to work with symptoms as they keep relying on false LFT results. And this is how covid spreads now!! Ever since the govt relaxed close contact rules for the vaccinated back in Aug, covid started spreading like wildfire.