Let's look at the other side of the coin

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Please explain which bit of this makes any sense!!! Unvaccinated people newly recovered from covid pumped full of antibodies (tested x2 and confirmed by the NHS) still have to self-isolate on contact with the infected, whereas someone who let's say was last jabbed in spring with clearly depleting antibody levels, doesn't.

I think its coz you might not get covid badly enough to make antibodies? Also they want people to get the jab so won't make it easy for people who don't.

It's like most things in this pandemic that don't make sense, like how you couldn't sit down in the middle of nowhere and had to keep walking last year.

I can’t be doing with this whinging. Noone would CHOOSE to have a needle stuck in them, all the inconvenience of appointments, side-effects etc. However we get that we live in a society that does not have the resources to police the foibles of every selfish individual who thinks they are in some way special.

Well yes. I've had Covid, been double jabbed so probably have good enough antibodies. Am I getting a booster? Yes. It may be unnecessary but I'll crack on with it. If it means getting vaccinated to avoid going back into lockdown and getting on with our lives then that's ok with me

@Mybalconyiscracking

I can’t be doing with this whinging. Noone would CHOOSE to have a needle stuck in them, all the inconvenience of appointments, side-effects etc. However we get that we live in a society that does not have the resources to police the foibles of every selfish individual who thinks they are in some way special.

This

I'm having my booster today. I haven't knowingly had covid yet. I try not to overthink but just have whatever vaccinations are offered as on balance it feels right. I also choose not to judge people who don't get vaccinated- inevitably there will be some people who don't want to do a certain thing for whatever reason- their choice, and if course the government knows they will never get 100% compliance. I understand all the incentivisation which will hopefully mean a high enough percentage of the population will not get sick enough to overwhelm the NHS. That's what all this is about after all.

@PAFMO

"Only if you have been infected AND then have the vaccine.
Otherwise a vaccinated person is less likely to (obviously) have the virus to pass on to start with, and marginally less likely to pass it on if they are unfortunate enough to catch it."

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Does this then mean that those who have been double jabbed (ie the majority) but then actively avoid catching Covid (mask wearing, hand washing, avoid crowded events, supermarkets, etc) are by previous definitions on this post being "selfish" as they will have significantly lower antibodies than those that are double jabbed and have been infected?

Does this then mean that those who have been double jabbed (ie the majority) but then actively avoid catching Covid (mask wearing, hand washing, avoid crowded events, supermarkets, etc) are by previous definitions on this post being "selfish" as they will have significantly lower antibodies than those that are double jabbed and have been infected?

What a weird things to say. If they avoid being infected by taking measures and precautions, they can't pass the virus to others, so they don't contribute to transmission. So, not selfish at all, imo.

@FflosFfantastig

It doesn't make any sense. It's just punishment for the decision on vaccination. There's no good looking for logic where there isn't any.

Exactly I really wish the governments actually did things for peoples health but unfortunately this is very obviously not the case.

So many people have seemingly happily been taken in by the government’s and msm push for divide and conquer, so you will unfortunately only really get the nasty comments and name calling on this thread.

It is ridiculous OP. I have no answer for you as to why they're doing this.

Frankly I'm worried about where the world is heading.

Frankly I'm worried about where the world is heading.

I’m fucking terrified.

This has turned people crazy. There are some
I’m sure who would be happy with people being rounded up in the street and forcibly vaccinated.

Other people scare me.

@Siriisatwat

Frankly I'm worried about where the world is heading.

I’m fucking terrified.

This has turned people crazy. There are some
I’m sure who would be happy with people being rounded up in the street and forcibly vaccinated.

Other people scare me.

gosh, have you considered getting professional help for your anxiety?

OP in answer to your question, not everyone creates the same amount of antibodies. I had Covid last year, but a test showed I had no residual antibodies from the infection. So vaccination is a guaranteed way of creating antibodies.

My child is intending on studying psychology in university, I’ve told her what has happened over the past nearly 2 years would make an excellent case study.
What effect fear has on some people and how easy it is to create fear and divide in society

Everyone says infection then vaccine = high protection.

Same the other way round? Because so many people got double vaccinated hoping it would protect them, then they still caught it anyway.

This isn't a disingenuous question by the way, before anyone decides it is . I'd really like to know the answer.

They don't know Hester.

There is too much they don't know.

Too much to justify the route we seem to be going down.

Somebody recently said the virus isn't bad enough and the death rate isn't high enough to justify the route we (the world/parts of Europe) are heading down.

I really hope Boris holds his nerve this winter.

I find comfort in the fact that Boris is losing popularity. I think he's probably being pressured - but resisting at the moment - because he thinks he'll lose even more support.

Protests and riots won't improve the Tories already sinking ratings.

I do agree with you as it does appear to now be used in a punitive way as someone unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons doesn't have to isolate if in close contact now when fairly clearly they are in the same position as someone who is unvaccinated by choice .Ideally we all should still be isolating (vaxxed or not) if a close contact as it quite clearly doesn't make sense not to from a scientific perspective but I understand we have to move forwards at some point. Personally I feel those who have had COVID should have a 6 month exemption from close contact isolation as if I choose not to have a booster at some point I will reach the same risk level.

@HesterShaw1

Somebody recently said the virus isn't bad enough and the death rate isn't high enough to justify the route we (the world/parts of Europe) are heading down.

I really hope Boris holds his nerve this winter.

Do you seriously think the virus isn't bad enough and the death rate isn't high enough? What about long covid? What do you think it's like now, without high vaccination rate?

"Trust the science" .

It's never made any sense to me, either, OP. I also had Covid pre the vaccines and still have antibodies.

Am pretty sure this question was asked of Vallance/Whitty - who said that it's simpler to vaccinate everyone rather than establish antibody levels, which will vary widely anyway. The antibody response from the vaccines is supposed to vary less widely. I don't know if that is true.

I have had Covid, long Covid, double jabbed with side effects and in bed all weekend both times, heart rate high after second jab, fainted etc.

Yet, I am going to get a booster because it is the right thing to do. I am not going to be a coward about it. Have met a lot of anti vaccine types recently and they all think the world owes them something. It is not really about what suits the individual but society as a whole. Look at Sweden - most just getting the jab to move on. We all need to do our bit.

People literally just say get the jab it takes two minutes ‘ without thinking that everyone has a human right to what is injected in their own body and should not be discriminated against for choosing not too have it. It’s gone far too far now. Bloody infuriates me

However, yes, in Switzerland you get a Covid certificate for 365 days if you have Covid, it was initially 180 days and then challenged and increased to 365 days. I do wonder though whether they will rethink that including for the actual vaccines as apart from Moderna, 365 days is very optimistic thinking.
Also they will accept antibody tests too. However, our health service and systems are not set up for this kind of tailored to individual type scenario. So we need to do what is right for our NHS given the lack of resources and the state it is in. Jabbing makes more sense in England